Kramer's Pipe and Tobacco Shop Father Dempsey

(3.47)
Though originally blended to match Father Dempsey's own preferred smoke, this full-bodied English mixture is now Kramer's most popular house blend and has been enjoyed by the likes of Cecil B. DeMille, Henry Wilcoxon, Samuel Goldwyn, Gene Barry, Mike Kaplan, Mel Tolkin, Fred McMurray, and many others.
Notes: The good father, an Irish priest, and my father Allen Kramer (who came to American as a child from Russia), may have seemed like an odd duo, but they became fast friends. When Father Dempsey was assigned to the Church of the Good Shepherd in Beverly Hills, right behind our shop, he would always come in for a visit. The Father was used to buying his tobacco at Dunhill, but told my father he'd rather buy from his shop, if he could create a comparable blend. They spread out his blend on the tobacco bar and my father studied it. He was able to identify the different tobaccos, but not the proportions. So they kept trying different formulas until finally Father Dempsey said, "Stop right there! This is better than my old blend ever was." And soon so many of the Father's friends and parishioners were coming in asking for "Father Dempsey's tobacco" that it came to be called just that. My father would say it has the aroma of a campfire burning--a smooth and full-bodied Latakia based blend. Among those in our rolodex who chose Father Dempsey's blend were Cecil B. DeMille, Henry Wilcoxon, Samuel Goldwyn, Gene Barry, John Conte, Ricardo Cortez, Howard Duff, Herb Edelman, Mel Frank, Mike Kaplan, Jesse Lasky, Sr., Fred MacMurray, Robert Sherman, and Mel Tolkin. Father Dempsey is gone now, but when he passed away he left his statue of the Virgin Mary and baby Jesus and the medal he carried through the battle of Dunkirk to my father--and of course, the legacy of what is Kramers most popular house blend.

Details

Brand Kramer's Pipe and Tobacco Shop
Blended By Allen Kramer
Manufactured By Sutliff Tobacco Company
Blend Type English
Contents Latakia, Oriental/Turkish, Virginia
Flavoring
Cut Ribbon
Packaging 2 ounce tin, bulk.
Country United States
Production Currently available

Profile

Strength
Medium
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Extremely Mild -> Overwhelming
Flavoring
None Detected
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
None Detected -> Extra Strong
Room Note
Pleasant to Tolerable
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Unnoticeable -> Overwhelming
Taste
Medium to Full
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Extremely Mild (Flat) -> Overwhelming

Average Rating

3.47 / 4
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Reviewed By Date Rating Strength Flavoring Taste Room Note
Mar 25, 2018 Mild to Medium None Detected Medium Tolerable
Early on in my pipe smoking I bought a bunch of Sutliff's match 965 because it looked like it was comparable to the real thing that was high up on a lot of people's list as one of the great's. I figured I'd be smart and just smoke the match that was 1/2 the price.

Eventually, I made my way to other blends and even the current 965. After smoking the legitimate 965 for a while I could really tell the similarities and the differences between the two. I definitely prefer the dunhill, but can taste a lot of similarity. The real dunhill is just made from a cleaner, seemingly higher grade leaf than the match. I found this to be the case with other sutliff blends that are said to match a dunhill counterpart. Elizabethan same thing. Like smoking the same mixture out of lower end tobacco.

It could be just the processing technique of the tobacco from Sutliff not being to my preference. Anyway, how does that relate to this Father Dempsey? Well, with the rumors of Dunhill's departure I ordered several blends that were supposed to be similar to 965 and Father Dempsey was on that list.

Well, when I first smoked it, I felt like I was tasting Sutliff tobacco. It just had that same overall sense of taste about it. Then, I compared the two tobacco's since I still had plenty of that match leftover in a mason jar. I can't guarantee, but I think someone is repackaging the Sutliff match maybe as Father Dempsey. The look of the tobacco, cut, taste, and all bears an almost exact similarity on close inspection. Other's who have both in their cellar, I'd like to hear there opinions on why or why not this might be the case.
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Mar 21, 2017 Mild to Medium None Detected Medium Tolerable
Gotta go against the grain here. I don't like this. The Lat dominates and I find it's flavor a bit offensive. Mildly smoky and woody. The main note I get from it is dusty/dirty and very bland. The Orientals add just a very mild woody note. The Virginias add a hint of hay and sweetness. Overall...bland.

Mild to medium in body. Medium in blandness. No added flavoring. Burns well.
Pipe Used: MM Marcus, Country Gentleman, Mark Twain
PurchasedFrom: smokingpipes.com
Age When Smoked: fresh
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Apr 03, 2018 Medium None Detected Medium Tolerable
I never had the chance to smoke this blend as mixed at Kramer’s brick-and-mortar store; however, smokingpipes.com was given the opportunity to save this storied blend from extinction—they say they are sourcing the same tobacco—so I decided to order a few tins for the pleasure of saying I smoked it.

I began by picking through the tin to see what was going on. It is a relatively coarse cut ribbon that packs easily in medium to large bowls. There are essentially three different colored tobaccos: almost black Latakia, a reddish-brown Virginia, and some lemony specks that I assume are orientals. I did find a piece of chewed up plastic, which in my experience is not totally uncommon. Over the years, I’ve found feathers, pieces of rubber bands, and other remnants in some expensive cigars.

The blend lights and burns easily. The moisture out of the tin is to my liking. If you prefer your tobacco dryer, 10 minutes out of the tin is perfect. There is a little bite. No one component outshines the other, just a well-rounded English. To my palate, this blend is solidly middle-of-the-road and could easily be smoked all day. I’ll cellar a few tins, but I doubt age will add anything of note other than what time normally adds to tobacco.

The are many more interesting blends out there, but for the price and storied past, it’s worth having around. I intend on smoking this when I’m working and don’t have time to ponder nuance.
Pipe Used: Peterson Standard 307
PurchasedFrom: smokingpipes.com
Age When Smoked: New
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Reviewed By Date Rating Strength Flavoring Taste Room Note
Oct 02, 2017 Medium None Detected Medium to Full Pleasant
Kramer's Pipe and Tobacco - Father Dempsey.

Note: supplied in bulk.

I can't fault the moisture, but as this was loosely pouched that opinion's superfluous should you buy a tin. The blend's quite coarse, and a mixture of black, brown, and yellow. It sadly contains a fair amount of twigs.

The Latakia dominates the smoke, but I wouldn't call it a bomb. The Orientals sit just behind, with a fragrant, slightly floral, character, and prevent the Lat' monopolizing the smoke. I get very little alacrity from the Virginia, it isn't anywhere near as flavoursome as the other two. The burn from F.D. could be cooler, and it bites me a touch.

Nicotine: medium. Room-note: pleasant.

Father Dempsey isn't the worst, but I don't enjoy it enough for anymore than two stars:

Somewhat recommended.
Pipe Used: Cob
PurchasedFrom: Smokingpipes.com
Age When Smoked: One month
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Aug 04, 2017 Mild None Detected Medium Pleasant to Tolerable
So let's get the myth and the reality set apart.

The myth: "This blend is superior to Dunhill Aperitif / My Mixture 965."

The reality: This blend is as good as Dunhill Aperitif / My Mixture 965.

A blend that is squarely in the Scottish tradition, combining those incense-like, slightly sour notes along with the smoky notes of the latakia. Father Dempsey -may- have a touch more latakia than the two Dunhill Blends, though hard to tell without a side by side comparison. From the first puff my impression is that they are all very similar, and that impression was confirmed down to the last puff.

When those two Dunhill blends finally go the way of the dodo, or if you're trying to stretch out your cellar from using up those blends, Father Dempsey would be a perfect substitute.

Tin note is typical latakia, campfire smoky goodness.
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Reviewed By Date Rating Strength Flavoring Taste Room Note
Apr 24, 2010 Medium None Detected Medium to Full Very Pleasant
Father Dempsey Blend hearkens back to the Dunhill mixtures of old--or at least to the early 1980s (the earliest vintage with which I am familiar) and the exclusive blends produced at Dunhill's London store before 1999.

I suspect the blend Allen Kramer was initially trying to duplicate for Father Dempsey was My Mixture 965. The blend's components are in perfect balance, with the tanginess and sweetness of the Cavendished Virginias, the smoky spice of the Latakia, and the dry, slightly sour and floral Turkish, all contributing to a unified whole, while each continues to retain its distinct identity. Father Dempsey Blend has a full mouth-feel and really leaves the air redolent with "the aroma of a campfire burning."

Finally, since Kramer's is located in Beverly Hills, a number of people associated with the movies were regular customers--check out their website for some entertaining anecdotes. As an old-movie buff, and being susceptible to the influence of nostalgia (as no doubt many pipe smokers are), I think this added historical dimension is pretty cool.

Note: This review is for the Marsha Kramer blended version. I haven't tried the new, mass-produced tin or bulk versions.
PurchasedFrom: Kramer's Pipe & Tobacco Shop
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Reviewed By Date Rating Strength Flavoring Taste Room Note
Nov 28, 2021 Mild to Medium None Detected Medium Pleasant to Tolerable
I had never heard of this tobacco and tried on the recommendation from my uncle. My first bowl left me wondering why this is not discussed more often. Father Dempsy is a fantastic well balanced english blend with virginias, latakia, and orientals. The smoker is rewarded by hints of spice and cedar from the orientals if smoked deliberately. It can be smoked all day and won't get hot or cause tongue bite.

It's delivered in a ribbon cut with the perfect moisture content. The tobacco provides lots of smoke and burns to a fine ash.

I recommend it to anyone who enjoys english blends and compare it to Presbyterian and Squadron Leader.
Pipe Used: All of them
PurchasedFrom: Smoking Pipes
Age When Smoked: New
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Reviewed By Date Rating Strength Flavoring Taste Room Note
Apr 02, 2020 Medium None Detected Medium Pleasant to Tolerable
Kramer's Father Dempsey is sweet, smokey, and fragrant medium bodied English blend. The Appearance of the tobacco is a mix of black, dark brown, and light brown and is coarse ribbon cut. The tin note is sweet, savory, smokey, and musty.

Upon first light the Latakia jumps ahead of the other components but only for a few puffs, then it is barely ahead of the Oriental and Virginias. For an English, this is a sweet tasting blend. It has an aromatic quality to it, but not in sense of an topping. The tobaccos are naturally aromatic, sweet, and fragrant. The Latakia is up front but it does not over power the other components. It is smokey and woody, and combined with the lightly floral orientals creates a very nice musty note. The Virginias, which I believe include Red Virginias, works well with the Oriental to calm the Latakia and to add sweetness, tanginess, and a hint of fruit that is not always apparent. Overall this tobacco is naturally sweet, but not too sweet, naturally aromatic, but not topped, as well musty, smokey, and savory.

The blends is consistent from start to finish after the the first few puffs, burns cool, and stays lit for the duration of the smoke. It has enough going for it to keep you interested and to smoke throughout the day. Medium in flavor and in Nicotine.
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Reviewed By Date Rating Strength Flavoring Taste Room Note
Nov 13, 2019 Medium Extremely Mild Medium to Full Pleasant
Initial First Smoke impressions:

Popped the tin...smokey, woody, earthy scents like a freshly lit campfire. Smells amazing! I love the course cut. The jet black Latakia leaf contrasted by the lighter leather colored strands are absolutely beautiful. It's a little bit moist for my preference but it seems smokable out of the tin. I'm giving it about 15 minutes.

Lighting it up… not too tough to get going. Burns nicely. I'm getting a pretty big hit of sweet. It's a kettle corn sweet; the kind that lingers a little on the back of my tongue. I get the faintest sour flavor on the middle of the draw. Not much typical Latakia flavor initially. It's pretty balanced and well blended.

It is smoking medium to medium-full for me. It really sits in the same category as Peterson/Dunhill MM965 and Esoterica English like Margate or maybe more so Pembroke though there isn't an apparent topping on it.

Mid bowl the sweetness is making way for more smokiness and tangy pungency. I'm tasting some woodiness. As I finish the bowl it's still sweet and flavorful.

What I'm particularly loving about this is the consistency throughout the bowl. It's really staying true draw after draw. Many blends take you on a journey; there is an arc and a storyline to follow. Flavors mix and meld; there are transitions as the tobacco develops. Sometimes they start out really well but end up losing momentum mid smoke. Sometimes it's the other way around and there is a deepening of all the components which evolve into more than the sum. This blend doesn't do that for me nor does it seem to try to. Its a solid and dependable smoke. Its not complicated but it's very interesting. It's simple without being boring. I really enjoy this about it.

This is a comforting and comfortable smoke. It's a great chill out and relax smoke. I like this blend because it is straightforward and honest. I don't have to think too much about it but it still offers enough to contemplate.
Pipe Used: Chacom Club 168 and Royal Danish 991R
PurchasedFrom: smokingpipes
Age When Smoked: 3 months
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Reviewed By Date Rating Strength Flavoring Taste Room Note
Aug 02, 2018 Medium to Strong None Detected Full Tolerable to Strong
Since the demise of McClelland's tobacco I have been looking for new tobaccos to replace the five blends of theirs that I smoked. Not replace in the sense of flavor (let's face it; there will never be another "Frog Morton), but just to keep my choices still varied. I started reading reviews and came upon "Father Dempsey." So many smokers, so many great reviews. Needless to say, I was intrigued. Let's just say I wasn't disappointed. I could smoke this all day. I note spices, nuts, and a bit of saltiness. These are in the tobacco, not added artificially. Just a fantastic tobacco that will be in my rotation as long as I can get it.
Pipe Used: Caminetto Cavalier
Age When Smoked: fresh
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