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Juan José Pascual Lobo
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This Turkish brand has just reached Spanish market. As the leaflet says All the components in the blend are grown in Turkey, even the Virginia and the Latakia, made from Izmir leaf but in Turkey. Cyprus Latakia is indeed made from Izmir leaf, but this one is claimed to be made in Turkey. My internet search gave me not very much info. This seems to be a tobacco previously sold only in the Asia-Pacific market and is a reedition of a classic Turkish blend for the domestic market. I also found that these blends are cassed with plums and other essences.

The offer sounds well for me, Oriental with Virginia, and Latakia 20% and 40% with Oriental and Virginia, but no idea about the intensity of the added flavors. Has anybody here tried them?

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i´ve never seen them before.

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Cornell And Diehl recently released a blend with Turkish Latakia. Cleaner. Smoother and sort of like Syrian.

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Very interesting, I have never heard of them at all. I talk with a meerschaum pipe maker in Turkey occasionally. I will ask him about these. He’s always told me that there wasn’t much in the way of pipe tobacco in Turkey, he smokes mostly German tobacco. 

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The fact is that Turkey is a great tobacco producer, but most of it goes to the cigarette industry. That is the cause of the gradual disappearance of some great Oriental varietals. Selecting each varietal takes a lot of work and prices paid for quality Orientals are not worth the effort. Cigarette companies do not mind to buy a lot of varietals together under the generic label of Oriental tobacco.

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I did ask him about these. He said he’s never tried the Latakia ones, as he doesn’t like Latakia. He smokes Virginias and VaPers almost exclusively. He said he has tried the Virginia/Oriental blend. 

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Thanks Ted. Did he liked it? Did he mentioned any topping?

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He didn’t mention any toppings, but he said he thought the Virginia was somewhat flat and he didn’t care for it. But of course that’s just one opinion. I would definitely buy and try all three if they become available here. 

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If Koop Tobacco is responsible for it´s distribution, you'll see them in the US soon. I have heard they are on the way to distribute several American tobacco to Europe. In fact, they are already distributing C&D and G.L. Pease. 

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Not I :shrugz:

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I have two older flakes from Gladora. One is an oriental forward blend called Yayladağ Flake, the other is a Latakia forward called TPT Flake. Now, they don't blow me away but they were made when Gladora was still in the beginning stages and not sold in tins. Flake presentation was impeccable, so they knew what they were doing, although marketing was terrible - all I remember is a half-working website with less info than on the tobacco box itself.

Judging from the description on your picture, it might actually be the same flakes now in tins and with a different blend name: You have the Oriental Flake with Yayladağ leaf, and two Latakia Flakes which sound like the TPT Flake with different latakia proportions. Funny enough, I once asked a guy about the Latakia percentage in TPT flake, but can't remember whether it was 20 or 40 percent. But it was for sure not easy on the Latakia (one reason why I didn't enjoy it that much). In the oriental flake the oriental leaf is also the most noticeable. It's a relatively dark brown flake and the orientals are more herbal/spice than floral/zesty (I guess it's what you'd expect from Turkish leaf).

I was honestly surprised to see the Kopp announcement about Gladora distribution recently. And Gladora tins as well. You got to understand that while Turkey is a big (Meerschaum) pipe and tobacco producer, it's virtually impossible to find pipe tobacco here. To the best of my knowledge, Gladora is the only one who actually got the license to sell pipe tobacco in Turkey legally.

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Thanks Ithian. Do you remember if it was much flavored?. I suspect they are, because smokers from the Asia Pacific area, the traditional market for these blends, much like heavy flavored blends.

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I have them here at hand. I don't detect a topping on either of them.

And yes you're right, hookah tobacco is strongly flavored. But most pipe smokers I know in this region tend to like their leaf "pure".

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Thanks Ithian. Your comment sounds sooting. I'll take the risk and will purchase a tin of each and I'll let you know. 

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Let us know how you like them!

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Of course, as soon as I try it!

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Well, gentlemen, in my recent trip to Barcelona I visited my reference tobacconist there, Expendeduría 321 in C/ Córcega 494, and picked a tin of Pesse Canoe Latakia Flake 40. Virginia Oriental Flake from the same brand was sold out and I was told that there were excellent feedback from the first smokers.

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As this forum does no allow to post more than one picture per reply, I´ll give you the info related to each pic.

First unusual thing, the thin is not vacuum sealed. It has a cellophane wrap around the edge of the lid in a similar way as the new Gawith tins, but it's intended only as a simply seal to warranty the tin is unopened. The tin is hinged!. It´s the first time I see this in a pipe tobacco tin. It´s very common in small cigar tins but not in a pipe tobacco one.

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When the tin is opened appears a flake made in an impeccable way. The very same cut quality you can spect to find from the best makers.

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Flakes are thick, 6 flakes per 50 gr tin. They have the level of humidity that you can spect from a newly manufactured flake.

I leave the most surprising for last, the tin note. Gladora Tobacco states all the tobaccos in the blend are grown and processed in Turkey. That means Latakia is also made in Turkey, so now we have 3 latakia kinds. With a 40% of latakia in the blend I spected two things:

1-A very dark color

2-A strong smoky Latakia note.

Well, none of the two. The color is dark brown with no visible black hues, which is very surprising for me after more than 40 years smoking latakia blends from all leading makers.

The tin note.... Another surprise. Nothing you can have in mind. It´s smoky of course, but in a very different way. Cyprian Latakia smokes like a campfire. This smokes like a campfire extinguished with water some hours ago. A sort of mineral note, a vague remind of a smoked herring. Noting unpleasant, quite the opposite. Simply original, absolutely new, unexpected, amazing, baffling.... 

I can´t detect a heavy flavoring at this moment.

I have no info about tin date. I'll try to know it. I´m keeping the flakes in a jar and wait the right moment to smoke them. I'll tell you. It promises to be a whole novelty.

 

 

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Thanks for sharing such detailed information amigo!

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Thanks for posting this! I am looking forward to hearing more about these tobaccos. It is rare and exciting to have anything come to the market with leaf sourced from uncommon places. It makes it so much more than just another new blend. 

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This tobacco has broken my ideas about what can be expected from a flake with 40% Latakia. If you had shown it to me and asked what I thought that was, I wouldn't have an answer. I would say that it is an oriental blend, there is no doubt about that, but I would not have mentioned the latakia, and it is 40%!!! This latakia is made in Turkey, perhaps they smoke it differently and the key may be there. I'm going to smoke it this afternoon.

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Well, I have smoked my first bowl of this weed. A first date that has left me wanting to have another one in a while, but that has not stolen my heart.

The fact that the can is not vacuum sealed and the good humidity of the tobacco makes the packaging date irrelevant, but you can tell that it is freshly manufactured. It needs a season in a jar.

Turkish latakia has nothing in common with its cousins ​​from Cyprus and Syria, apart from a slight smoky note. If someone offered me a bowl of this and told me it was a special edition of SG Sam's flake with more oriental (Izmir) and a pinch of Kentucky, I would have believed it without a doubt.

The tobacco is of great quality, in fact it is a good Oriental and has potential, but it needs time. It's too young and I think a well-sealed jar is much better for this than the original hinged tin. I will keep you informed, gentlemen.

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I smoked it again but letting the tobacco dry properly, 90 minutes plus 3 minutes extended in a white paper over a heather radiator. This improves smoke much better. The Turkish Latakia becomes just a bit smokier, and the smoking is more satisfactory.

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I tried to fold a third of a flake to experiment a difference in flavor, but flakes are thick and when trying to  rub it a little with my fingers to screw into the bowl it falls apart, but I smoke larger pieces of tobacco than when I rub it. The flavor improves.

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The full range of Pesse Canoe pipe tobacco is available in Germany. 1€ cheaper than in Spain.

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That’s great. I think I will place an order, I can’t shake my curiosity about these tobaccos. 

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I´m curious to know your impressions. It´s a very nice mellow lightly smoked Oriental with a light plum topping that you'll love.

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I just placed an order for four tins each of the three different ones, plus I restocked some HU tobaccos at the same time. It had been a while since I ordered from Germany, it was funny seeing G. L. Pease and Sutliff tobacco on their website, that’s new since I last looked. Thanks again for letting me know about that. I thought it would be a while before I could get some. I’m excited to try these!

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This is hard to find even here in Turkey, I was looking for over 2years after it was announced that it was on sale. When I did find it the shopkeeper thought it was rolling tobacco, I bought all the 4 boxes he had. You get 8 flakes per 50gr & they are thick, black & hard. There is a long story of government oppression of pipe tobacco production here in Turkey which led this old time favourite stopping production but it's back. I've been told the old mix was up around 50% latakia but this is only around 20% & to get the best from the latakia it needs to be rubbed out to a rough " broken " flake, but this is not all about the lat this is all the other flavours that in there as well. I'm pleased for the company that is now legally exporting it abroad & if you like a stronger baccy that doesn't taste like an ice cream I urge you to give it a go

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Certainly I got the best results rubbing the flakes roughly, but Turkish Latakia is much mellower than cyprian. I thought that Pesse Canoe Latakia Flake 40 would be almost a Latakia bomb, but I would say it´s a very pleasant mellow lighty smoked Oriental. It had a warm welcome in Spain. It´s sold out in most tobacconist. Note than in Spain this tobacco is only available in specialist tobacconist, less than 100 in all the country.

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Well I’m now three bowls in on The first I’ve tried of the three, the Oriental Flake. I recognize many of the things you have mentioned about the one you’ve been smoking @Juan José Pascual Lobo. 

I find it to be fairly heavily cased, not to the level of an aromatic, but more than the typical lighter casings that often go unidentified. Plum like flavor being the primary one, with what I think are two other flavors in the background. These are exotic flavors that I can’t identify, but they are flavors that seem appropriate for a tobacco made in Turkey if that makes any sense. One might be dates, or dates in addition to the other two, just not sure.

Even though I’m only smoking the one without Latakia in it so far, I’m getting the smoked fish/ocean kind of flavor also, (not a bad thing if you’re reading this without having tried it, it’s hard to explain any other way) I think that may be from the casing rather than the tobacco. 

In fact the casing dominates the tobacco enough to where I can’t distinguish all of the traits of the individual tobaccos. 

So far I really like it. It’s truly different in a good way. Amazingly consistent smoke through the bowl from beginning to dottle as well just some initial thoughts, I’m not far enough along with it to actually write a review. 

Tonight I’m going to try the 40. 

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I´m waiting to know if we think the same about the latakia flake 40.

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I’m only one bowl in with the 40 and from that I think your impressions are spot on. I will add that the 40, and I suspect the 20 which I haven’t tried yet are identical to the Oriental Flake, just with the addition of the Turkish Latakia. I will need to get a few more bowls in to make any thoughtful comments on it. 

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In typing that it just made me wonder about adding Cyprian Latakia to the Oriental flake. There’s enough casing to carry it I believe. But I’m getting ahead of myself. Though that experiment might be in my future. 

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I have smoked a bowl of PC Latakia Flake 40 with a pinch of Cyprian Latakia. Rally nice experience. Cyprian Latakia flavor is subdued by the blend, but smokiness is higher. Tomorrow I´ll add Syrian Latakia, and I suspect it will be a better match.

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I forgot to mention that if you sniff the residual tobacco dust from Latakia Flake 40, you'll have a great experience.

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I always get my mouth watering when reading this thread

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I’ve finished my fourth bowl of the 40 now and I think I’ve got some clearer thoughts on it. May be a disappointment to those who look for an intense smokiness, but it’s got a fullness to it that other types of Latakia generally don’t. It’s a thicker and more complex smoke in some ways. I enjoy it in the sense that all Latakia is nothing more than certain strains of tobacco with generally strong added flavors, but this Turkish doesn’t seem like an attempt to copy a perceived standard of how it “should” taste. Rather it is its own thing. I appreciate that. 

I’m curious to now try the 20. I have a feeling I might prefer that, since I feel the orientals and Virginia are largely overpowered by the Latakia. I’m thinking that there may be more balance to it. 

I really like the Oriental Flake and I’m now pretty convinced that the Latakia flakes are just that with Latakia added. The Virginia appears as a one note medium Virginia to me, nothing exciting about it, but I’m not criticizing it. It could be that it’s just getting buried by the more complex and distinct orientals which I find to be unique. 

Anyway, enough of my rambling. While I’m not ready to say these are my new favorite wonder blends, I really enjoy them and they are indeed different in a very good way. 

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Tnks once again. Nice to read it.

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Yes, that is it. It´s a completely new Latakia kind, and a welcome addition to the smoked oriental family.

Cyprus latakia is a smoked Izmir. Turkish Latakia is also a smoked Izmir, but in a completely different way with a very own and distinctive character. I enjoy very much it, and welcome it as a new and original flavor to add to my preferred tobacco family, Orientals. With or without Latakia.

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