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Personal Reserve: Dark Star
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McClelland |
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McClelland Tobacco Company |
| Tin Description: |
Years before tinning, this tobacco begins as bright yellow, sugary top grade Virginia and Carolina leaf. Through careful triple aging, pressing and stoving, it becomes rich, cool and dark. A seductively spicy aroma develops during the extended maturing process to complement the complex flavor of this concentrated, smooth broken flake, which is easily rubbed out to suit any occasion. |
| Country of Origin: |
US |
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Air Cured |
| Contents: |
Virginia
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| Cut: |
Broken Flake |
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50g Tin, 100g Tin |
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Medium
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Extremely Mild
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Medium
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Pleasant to Tolerable
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Recommended
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Tony
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03/02/2010 |
Medium
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Medium
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Tolerable
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| In the past yeasr or twohave discovered VA Flake tobaccos.I've lcome to like several differnt ones. Along my journey I discovered Dark Star. A very deep rich, in my opiinion, smoky tobacco remieniscient of McLelland's Cajun Black. Dark Star to me has a full taste and feeling in the mouth and a pleasant aroma even just french inhaling it. It is a bit difficult to keep lit if it is not rubbed out a bit. I wouldn't recommend a fold and stuff process though as it is rather dense and doesn't take a light real well this way. I find that if I rub it out between my palms it breaks up just nice enoughto fill my bowl easily. However rub it too much and it has broken into too little peices for my liking but it does light easier. It reminds me of a cube cut when I rub it out thoroughly. the wife says it smells a bit strong to her but them it seems our other halves are wired different sometimes. A smooth ,pleasant rich and medium to lightly full feeling and flavor. I would recommend it to any VA or VAper smoker. And it'also named after one of my favorite Grateful Dead songs!
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Capt. Cavendish
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12/09/2009 |
Mild to Medium
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Mild to Medium
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Mild to Medium
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Pleasant to Tolerable
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| You know, I probably shouldn't review when I'm in a bad mood, but it's hard to imagine this being much better if I was in a good mood. So here goes. What a let down. I had hoped for so much more from this blend, but was sorely disappointed. For one, it set me back eleven bucks that I could have happily spent on one of the McClelland premium aromatics that I oh so enjoy. This tobacco was so wet I had to lay some out on a paper plate and let it dry for 36 hours before lighting. And what's with the name? I couldn't stop thinking about Darth Vader when I smoked this, wondering if all the heavy syrups were aging my skin to the point that I was going to look like Vader with his helmet off by the time I finished the tin. Maybe I'm not Jedi enough to appreciate this one, but I think I'll look elsewhere in the McClelland line.
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quantumboy
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12/06/2009 |
Medium
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Medium
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Tolerable
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| Yes, Dark Star is as unique as everyone says it is. Think Stonehaven with ketchup. And maybe a little Irish Flake thrown in for good measure. My tin is date stamped 2006.
It's a coal black flake not unlike Stonehaven in appearance. First time I tried it, I tried rubbing it, but it doesn't really want to cooperate with such treatment - the flakes just broke up into small chunks. So I started cube cutting(a very fine cut with the small scissors on my Leatherman) and gravity feeding (my method for almost any flake anymore) and it burns perfectly from the very first light. A lot of people complain about lighting this stuff and keeping it lit, but the cube cut-gravity feed method works great for me with virtually any difficult flake.
I made the mistake today of working in the yard with a pipeful of this in my jaw. Not a good idea, since I can't concentrate on the pipe when I'm hanging Christmas lights. I unconsciously puff too hard and it gets bitter like Irish Flake seems to be all the time for me. This tobacco needs to be treated like a fine Virginia - slow and easy, sipping and savoring. When I pay attention to it, it comes alive.
On sipping, the VA sweetness is very forward in the flavor, while the Carolina (I think just another name for Burley - please correct me if I'm wrong) and dark stoving provide a smokiness that borders on cigar- or cigarette-like ashiness, but if the temperature is carefully controlled this can be eliminated. Then you're left with just a rich, primal, slightly complex, smoky flavor that simply satisfies.
Dark Star fills a void somewhere between FVF and Irish Flake. It's got enough quality Virginia (which we expect from McClelland) to provide a solid foundation of flavor, and enough whatever else they throw in there to create a diversion from your everyday smoke. I'm going to give it four stars because I like unique, especially when done with such high quality constituents. I certainly hope to buy more for long-term aging.
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Pipe
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11/23/2009 |
Mild to Medium
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Mild to Medium
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Medium
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Pleasant to Tolerable
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| As stated, this stuff is different. Upon opening I didn't know whether to eat it or smoke it. Most likely Beef Jerky, Its very wet. I took 2 large slabs and laid it out on the dashboard of my truck to let it sun-dry for 2 hours. Then I broke it all apart and packed it loosely and used the fine crumbs/dust for the topping. It toasted just right on the first light, Then 1 more light lasted till the end, Not really strong, mild nicotine, Flavors are favorable. Pleasant experience, No bad side effects. I'd buy it again. I recommend a trial, You might just like it. Takes a bit longer to prepare for smoking, but Its good.
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corncobbob
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08/26/2009 |
Mild to Medium
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Very Mild
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Mild to Medium
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Pleasant
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| The first time I tried this blend, I experienced many of the same problems that my fellow reviewers have noted. First, it is very finicky to rub out. The tobacco looks like beef jerky and has a very similar grain structure. Secondly, it is very moist and hard to keep lit. Rubbed out, it reminds me more of chewing tobacco than pipe tobacco.
I bought my first tin of this stuff more than a year ago and had no real intention of ever buying it again. But time went on, and like many have also said, there is nothing else like Dark Star on the market.
The second time I bought this tobacco, i decided that there was a simple way of resolving most of the issues involved with it. I took the entire tin of tobacco, and methodically rubbed it out into an old cigar box, spreading it evenly along the bottom. I then let the box sit on the shelf for about two days before transferring the tobacco back to its original tin.
The next day i simply opened up the tin, loaded a bowl of my nice, dry, loose flake, and very much enjoyed the depth and flavors of the stoved Va. Only recommended because it burns much too hot, if i puff constantly for twenty seconds, the bowl becomes too hot to hold and i am forced to set the pipe down.
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Kilmarnock Piper
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08/24/2009 |
Medium
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Extremely Mild
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Medium
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Pleasant
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| For me, not entirely my style, not as much as other McClellands such as Virginia #24 and #27 or Blackwoods Flake. The flake is very dark and compact. I gave my brother, who rolls his own cigarettes and smokes the occasional pipe a tin of this, and it is about his favorite. The flake is mellow and stoved-tasting, too much so for me, but there is no arguing with the quality. I smoke it for a change of pace. There is also a pleasant spice aroma, kind of nutmeggy? Ginger? Hard to say, and probably just a product of the curing. I get a note of dried fruit like figs or dates, but I often get that impression fron this style of tobacco.
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Winter pipe fan
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08/20/2009 |
Medium
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Extremely Mild
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Medium to Full
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Pleasant to Tolerable
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| McClelland's Dark Star is in a category of its own in the world of tobacco. Upon opening the tin, I couldn't believe how this tobacco appears. If you told me it was beef jerky, I might have believed you - especially with the tin aroma of vinegar and worchestershire sauce.
I have mixed feelings on Dark Star. First, it is too moist to smoke out of the tin - even though you may think otherwise. Second, it is one of the most finicky of flakes to rub out. One has to take delight in having to really work a bit to get this stuff in smoking form. I preferred to fully rub out Dark Star rather than to fold it into the bowl. I use the term "rub" with this tobacco, but you have to physically break it up almost like one would snap twigs. Third, Dark Star is touchy at staying lit. It will take a few matches to get it going consistently, but eventually, it finally does stay lit. Fourth, if you smoke it too fast, it will heat up your pipe to levels you want to avoid.
Now, with all of that said, it is an intriguing smoke. If you take it real slow and just meditate on the flavor, a number of flavors will unfold, the most dominant being dark chocolate and smoke. The smoky taste may overwhelm some but I can guarantee after a full bowl of smoking Dark Star, one's mouth does taste like an ash tray - so much so, you will need a smoky scotch on the rocks to tame the smoke of Dark Star. Fortunately, the nicotine level is low, so the depth of this tobacco can be enjoyed. There is no hint of tongue bite on the positive side.
So, do I like Dark Star? Hard to say - especially when I have Frog Morton to compare it to. When I make the comparison, the ease and softness of the Frog is much more appealing. In conclusion, I'll repeat what the salesman at my tobacconist said about Dark Star: "it's different than anything else on the market and one should try it at least once". Will I smoke it again? Sure, but in a smaller bowl after it has a chance also to age a bit. This one is somewhat recommended.
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Demetri
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06/29/2009 |
Medium
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Medium
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Medium to Full
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Pleasant
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| I picked up a tin of this last week on a lark...something for my sweet tooth (rather than 1Q). This is candy! I've tried three bowls thus far (finally deciding that my tobacconist's recommendation of just rolling the stuff up and jamming it into the pipe is the best way to go). Impressions: 1) This is tobacco hashish. 2) After three smokes I finally identified the heavy cinnamon flavor - so much so that it recalls Atomic Fireball candy or even those little Red Hot Devils we used to get. 3) Spicy.
All said, not steady fare but some fun stuff. This tin should last me years.
Updated: After a couple of months of fooling with this as a rolled plug in the bowl I fully rubbed out the remaining 3/4 of my tin. The result was startling. The candy-like cinnamon / Atomic Fireball flavor simply disappeared, replaced with an entirely different experience. Smoked with this preparation it is more like MacBaren Plumcake (but better). Still a novelty smoke for me, however.
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Pipemanuk
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06/29/2009 |
Mild to Medium
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Mild
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Mild to Medium
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Pleasant
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| Love this stuff.
I fill a pipe or two with folded flakes and then leave them overnight and smoke them the following evening and thsu I never have problems with the burn at all.
Many have accurately described the rich sweetness of the blend; I do not think there's anything else that approaches it by a mile. And I love the tin scent too...wonderful!
I have one quibble and it's this that drops it a star...I have a tin of DS from 2007 open and a jar of 2035 that I stored away also in 2007. I cannot tell any difference, in the look, the smell or the smoke. So while I hold onto my precious tins of Barry Levin DS from the 1990's and the few more recent tins, what I buy now to store is 2035.
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DK
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06/09/2009 |
Medium
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Extremely Mild
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Medium
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Pleasant
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| This stuff pisses me off. It's a wonderful tasting smoke... when you can get it to hold a light for longer than 2 minutes, which is rare. I tried drying it to almost tinder, various methods of loading and everything else I could think of and it's just too much of a pain. A tobacco that won't stay lit (much like Rattray's Black Virginia) but that tastes great screams to become a blender. I'll have to experiment with the remainder of this. On its own, it's not worth the effort, simply because no amount of effort makes much of a difference. Four stars for flavor, zero stars for smoke-ability.
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ruraldean
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05/27/2009 |
Medium
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Extremely Mild
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Full
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Pleasant to Tolerable
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| This is my first review, never having had the confidence to do so before, so it'll likely be a short one.
to start with I'm predominantly an English and Balkan smoker, so that's where I'm coming from. That said, I knew I needed to overcome my fear of being bitten by VA's, and to be honest the tin design sold this to me. I am a simple soul.
On opening the tin I was hit predominantly by the smell of uncooked Christmas cake, a rich plummy odour. The ketchup smell was also there but expected, and I know it has no bearing on the smoke whatsoever. The flakes themselves were dark, rich, and had a rubbery feel, moist as they were. Being fairly new at contemplating the tobacco itself, rather than the pipe I smoke it in, I was surprised not to see any trace of bright colours, something I found reassuring as a man with VA phobia.
I know that flakes can be a problem, and I prefer dryer baccy, so I gave it 30 minutes before rubbing out and packing a small Kaywoodie Zulu fairly solidly. I then sprinkled some of the "dust" on top as kindling.
I light using the "5,3,1" method, ensuring a deep overall burn, and settled down with some trepidation, praying my tongue would survive this pure Virginia experience.
It did.
Not only that, but I was rewarded with a long, cool smoke, free of any bite. I put this down to the triple ageing and stoving. As always the second half of the bowl produced the most satisfying flavours. The smoke is white and billowy, and unlike many other reviewers I had no trouble keeping it lit, mainly I think due to frequent and gentle tamping, and that good initial light.
This is a great introduction for a new VA smoker, which surprises me as it has the feel of a "high end" tobacco, which I would have initially imagined would be fairly temperamental, as most pedigrees are. I am pleased to say this has been an outstanding introduction for me to the world of VAs, and has given me the confidence to approach VAs as a regular part of my smoking experiences. Highly, highly recommended.
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Xeneize
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05/25/2009 |
Medium
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Very Mild
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Very Mild
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Tolerable
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| I usually enjoy the famous vinegar/ketchup casing on McClelland's Virginias. Blackwoods Flake, 2015 and a few Christmas Cheers are among my favorite tobaccos. That doesn't apply to Dark Star, mostly because its mild taste is overcome by the vinegar casing. You can appreciate the quality of this tobacco a few months after cracking a tin open, once the flavoring is partly washed away, but packing it and keeping it lit is annoying enough to bother with a long wait.
I still have a couple of tins that I'll age for a couple of years to see if it gets any better, but the heavy stoving doesn't make me think so.
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Dubinthedam
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05/08/2009 |
Medium
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Very Mild
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Medium
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Pleasant
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| There are very few blends I will not recommend. Why? Well even if it's not to my own taste I ask myself, "Is it a good blend?". Many McClee's VA's are similar in taste, CCheer disappoints, Navy Cav is a fav...but this stuff is super high maintenance, as reviews state, almost impossible to actually smoke. My tin is from 1999...the crystals are minimal! Maybe a blend from 1974 might crystalize! The best you could do with this is mix it with a very bright and dry VA blend. The flavors are nice and dark, musty even...but still not remarkable in any way. I only hope my tin of Blackwoods Flake is better?
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Tatonka
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04/24/2009 |
Mild to Medium
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Medium
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Pleasant to Tolerable
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| When I opened the tin, my first reaction was that someone had removed the tobacco and replaced it with chips of creosote or whale jerky. I had to contemplate how to get it into a pipe and get it lit. What seemed to work best is to break the flakes lengthwise into approximately 3/8 inch wide strips a little shorter than the bowl depth and stand these up in the bowl, sliding them in one or two at a time until there wasn't any more room. Doing this leaves the pipe with almost no resistance to draw but a good long first light will allow the bowl to be tamped down until the draw is right and it is ready for the true light. This leads to a lot of smoke and an extra long light will yield a smoke that can be kept going pretty much like normal. This smoke has a wonderful sweet taste with noticeable bite. Setting this aside until the bowl is cool, then resuming later with a third light gives a wonderful slow, long smoke that is really hard to beat. The room note got compliments too and that was surprising. All in all a wonderful smoke that takes a lot of work, a complete cool down set aside before resuming, and then a slow and patient draw.
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frankluke
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04/21/2009 |
Mild to Medium
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Mild
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Medium to Full
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Tolerable
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| this stuff tastes great, i mean maybe the best tasting VA blend i've tried, it's sweet and tangy and has a full finish like a cigar would. it tastes like buttered raisins if that makes sense. thats about all the good i can say about darkstar, maybe thats enough. this tobacco is such a pain in the ass in all the other catagories.. let me say it like this, ever notice when you read a review on any tobacco blend for the most part somebody will write "it broke up well" or it " burned well" that stuff, i call them throw away lines used in a review cause it seems every review has them, really what tobacco doesn't burn well or break easily? dark star... i've never been more frustrated with a blend in my life, this stuff will not dry, i've left it opend for weeks at a time and it's like i just opened it 5 minutes ago. i even tried dry boxing it like a cigar, lol. ok, time to break it up, your 10x a better man if you can smoke this in flake form, this is the worst at breaking up, do to the tobacco being so wet you can't just rub the tobacco out like you normally would with a typical flake, you have to use a knife or lately i've used my coffee grinder but you have to be carfull doing that cause you might get powdered baccie. now that you have dried the tobacco for hours, days, months and broken up the tobacco using whatever method you thought necessary it's time to fill you pipe and smoke. now my favorite part, it won't stay lit, after half a dozen charring light's you get to smoke for five minutes at a time, if your lucky. but, it tastes great.
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Society of the Briar
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04/11/2009 |
Medium
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Pleasant
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| I suppose you could fault McClelland for making tobaccos that differ mostly in subtle degrees. But, in this smoker's opinion, they're all so top notch, I can't complain.
Dark Star is precisely as the tin says,rich, cool, dark and spicy. Traditional McClelland "tang" in the tin note emanates from handsome, dark and leathery flakes. Hearty is a good way to put it. It does take some serious rubbing out to get these thick tobacco shingles in decent smoking form, or at least, that is my take on the process.
Tasty, mildly, mildly sweet and pleasantly complicated without forcing your tongue to work tobacco trigonometry. This isn't likely to be unlike anything you've ever tasted, but it's undoubtedly among the best. Cheers.
Update 5/11/09: I haven't at all had the various degrees of trouble smoking this that others have been reporting. I'm not doing anything particularly remarkable to the tobacco, but just for the record... I'll take a large-ish flake and pinch/crumble it into the palm of my other hand, much like wadding up a small peice of paper. The more force you use here, the better, grinding it between your thumb and forefinger. If there are any large pieces left, keep wadding, crumbling. Repeat until you've enough to fill your bowl, empty any extra into your tin. The flakes are simply too large and thick to simply fold in half and stuff into the bowl. You'd have to puff until you passed out to keep it lit. Sure, after all that work, this still may not be your thing, but if done right you should be able to smoke it properly and enjoy what is in my very humble estimation, the vest VA I've ever smoked... er, dark VA at least.
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jonawbr
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03/29/2009 |
Medium
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Medium to Full
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Pleasant to Tolerable
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| This has fast become one of my favorite blends out there. I will say this is one of biggest pains to prep but this blend rewards the patient in a wonderful way. My presmoke involves breaking it up a bit about a hour or so before I want to smoke it. Once the proper moisture is achieved I pack it softly and take frequent test draws till it has that right draw. Once lit I smoke it slowly and just savor the amazing bouquet of flavors from the top of the bowl to the bottom. The room note has varied from person to person that I have smoked this around but I have not had anyone that has been offended by the aroma. This blend can bite hard if care is not taken in your smoking technique. Although this blend does tend to favor some pipes more than others. Experiment and when you have that eureka moment it makes this blend worth every penny.
I am curious to see how additional aging will affect this blend. I have a few 50 gram tins aging, I am gonna open one after a year and another one after a few more years. I will update my review when that time comes. Until then enjoy life and keep on puffin.
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BobB
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03/27/2009 |
Medium
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Extremely Mild
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Medium
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Pleasant to Tolerable
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| Three and a half stars.
Sure you've got to work it and dry it. I like using my hands and I don't mind one bit.
No one around me has said anything about the aroma and I haven't bothered to ask. I just enjoy it.
Dark Star is one of the most complex tobaccos I had ever smoked. Once dried, it needed little attention. I wish it were a little stronger, but every time I light up it gets better. A very nice tobacco to be enjoyed. Dark Star tastes like good tobacco.
If you've got a problem working your DS, bring it over. I'll be happy to do it after I've ordered and done couple of pounds to cellar.
Thank you McClelland.
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03/07/2009 |
Medium
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Medium to Full
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Pleasant
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| Dark Star is a very nice stoved VA flake. The tin that I am sampling is from 1998 and age has done it's wonderful work! The flakes are very dark with light sugar crystals and have a nice pungeant aroma (once the vinegar smell wears off). In my experience it is good to allow the flake to dry out a bit after opening the tin.
The best results for me were to rub the flake out and pack the bowl lightly as this seems to not only increase the flavor of the tobacco but also aids in keeping it lit(didn't have any trouble keeping it lit). Dark Star produces volumes of thick luscious clouds of smoke, very enjoyable right down to the bottom of the bowl. Wonderful pure and sweet Virginia tobacco taste and recommended!
Updated 4/12/09 I must say that after allowing this blend to "air out" a bit it is quite exceptional! I am going to upgrade to 4 stars because I am finding myself reaching for this blend more and more and at the end of a bowl feel quit satisfied to say the least. This tobacco produces such a wonderful dark, full, rich and cool smoke it is my new "go to" blend, highly recommend!
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Auld Eire
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03/01/2009 |
Medium to Strong
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Extremely Mild
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Mild to Medium
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Pleasant to Tolerable
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| This has become my favorite stoved VA flake. Sweet and deep, with billows of smoke that, while not the wife's favorite, I find second to none. I had similar prep issues until I started using an old Krups coffee grinder. 1 to 2 seconds transforms this from a prep nightmare into ready-to-smoke ambrosia. I had sworn off the dark, moist flakes. Now I can't wait to try the grinder on Odyssey. Trust me guys, it's worth it! jm
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