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Margate

Brand: Esoterica Tobacciana
Blender: J.F. Germain & Son
Tin Description: A classical English mixture done in the "old style" of many of the fine tobaccos that have now disappeared from the market place. Choice Orientals and generous quantities of premium Cyprian Latakia keynote this rich, full bodied blend. A well balanced, robust and eminently satisfying smoke.
Country of Origin: British Isles, UK
Curing Group: Sun Cured
Contents:
Latakia
Oriental
Cut: Ribbon
Packaging: 2oz Tin, 8oz Bag

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Average Ratings
Strength: Medium
Flavoring: Extremely Mild
Taste: Medium to Full
Room Note: Tolerable
Recommendation: Recommended


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Showing reviews 21 through 40 of 128 reviews of this tobacco
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Cochon74 08/14/2011 Mild to Medium None detected Medium Tolerable recommended
As a lover of English Blends, Balkans and pretty much anything with Latakia in it, I was intrigued by Margate... a blend without Va? Wow? Really? Also, having chanced upon several tins of Penzance several months ago and LOVING it, I was curious to try another Esoterica blend.

A couple of initial thoughts... I've read comparisons between Margate and its sibling Penzance. There is simply no point in comparing them. They are apples and oranges. The second thing to address. According to the literature, there is not a shred of Virginia leaf in Margate. Judging from the taste, I believe it.

Margate is high on flavor with the enormous amounts of Latakia and Orientals involved. Everything is pretty straightforward to my palate. No surprises here. The absence of Virginias strikes me most in the depth/structure department. When I puff, I get all the smoky goodness of the lat and the more exotic notes from the Orientals... which I love so much that I don't miss the sweetness some VA would lend to this. But without the grounding leaf, the flavors have nothing to cling to and are fleeting.

This is not a bad thing, necessarily. In fact, I find this superb blend to be perfect for the warm days of summer, as it has that "airy," unstructured quality which gives me big flavor without too much complexity or weight. Moreover, the simplicity of the flavor profile makes it a nice smoke for those more casual smoking expreriences. Sometimes I don't want to think about what I'm smoking, but still enjoy it.

Margate is a pretty shaggy cut, but I found it just right for packing and lighting in terms of moisture and cut. It can burn a little hot, especially if you puff too hard. It also gets very acrid and harsh... more so and more easily than other tobaccos when smoked too hard.

All in all, I like this smoke. I'll come back to it when my tin is finished, but probably not cellar any, as I've read that time is not good to Latakia in the absence of Virginia leaf. It appears to be in ample supply and I'll look forward to buying my next tin.

Update 8/29/11: Ok... just smoked a rather large bowl of Margate outside on the patio... possibly the coolest night I've felt in 2 months or more. This blend is rather magical. The latakia is a dark, oily canvas on which the Orientals in Margate positively danced. Again, I'll say that this blend is not subtle. It doesn't work like, say, Squadron Leader - where everything is perfectly integrated and balanced. Margate sets you down a smoky path with densely swirling exotic notes Dried herbs, church incense without the cloying perfume - all moving across the charred, woodsy landscape of the Cyprian weed. The lack of sweetness is completely un-missed. I really like this stuff. I'll keep it at three stars, but much more assuredly.


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AgentSmith 07/27/2011 Strong None detected Medium to Full Tolerable recommended
First class English that is a bit too potent for me currently. I suspect that I will grow in to it.


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gladi8tor96 06/09/2011 Strong None detected Full Pleasant to Tolerable highly recommended
I have found that I am an oriental fan, when it comes to the different pipe weed leaves. This blend reminds me a bit of the P.S. English Luxury, but with a bit more of a kick and lot more complexity. Very rich and creamy. Definitely has a strong N-kick to it. I will get more of this in the future.


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The Dutchman 05/29/2011 Medium None detected Very Mild Tolerable recommended
Definitely needs some drying time and aging out of the 8 oz package. I like the fine ribbon cut that behaves on the pack. Makes it very easy to pack, if not over pack. I appreciate what a little burley can do for a blend, so I miss that a bit here, just a personal preference. Not a lot of taste, so it lends to spiciness. If you can get this one to keep producing smoke, the flavors increase after the first third. I really had to work at it indoors with my Stanwell Canadian dedicated for latakia. Not real complex, but a good quality. It did compliment my morning coffee nicely, but didn't shine standing alone. We will see how it improves to make the rotation. 2.8


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fireball 05/06/2011 Mild Very Mild Mild to Medium Tolerable highly recommended
A very nice, slightly sweet medium English with a fine ribbon cut. The sugary taste it leaves on my lips marks it out, similar in some ways to Solani's Luxury English, which I also like very much. Defintely a repeat and possibly bulk purchase candidate.


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Xeneize 05/03/2011 Mild to Medium None detected Medium to Full Tolerable highly recommended
A classic English mixture, and one of current bests. The cut is pretty unique, something between shag and ribbon. I didn't like it at first, but then I've found it very easy to pack, allowing a regular burn with very few relights needed. This is more of a "Balkan" than Penzance, relying more on Orientals. Both are top notch Englishes, and I'll have around for as long as they and I exist.


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Mr. Big 03/17/2011 Mild to Medium None detected Medium to Full Pleasant recommended
This is Dunhills EMP with a touch more Latakia. Both have that lemon background, probably from the orientals. I love EMP as my first of the day rotation and I could see myself substituting Margate on occasion.Both EMP and Margate have that ribbon (hair texture) cut that I find very easy to pack and sometimes over pack. Margate's Latakia comes through a little stronger, but this does not overpower the orientals. I find EMP to be a short smoke, just when your getting into it, the pipe is done. On the other hand, Margate, seems to burn slower, has less smoke (but a slightly hotter smoke?)and you get more satisfaction from the overall pipe full. This will be my mid-morning tobacco.

Highly recommended

UPDATED 5/6/11 I have found some problems with this tobacco,it bites because it comes a little too damp to smoke and needs some drying. Second, it doesn't burn evenly in the bowl and actually becomes difficult to tamp.There are two diffrent cuts of tobacco a shag ( hair) and a broken flake, these have two diffrent burn rates and are difficult to control. I've reduced my rating to SR

Update 7/6/11 After letting this breath and dry some, this has improved and most of the bite is gone. You must smoke this slow. Doesn't produce a lot of smoke, best smoked at a smolder. Bumped back up to "recommended". This would be a 4 star if it wasn't so hard to deal with the diffrent cuts of tobacco in the blend.


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McAdder 02/06/2011 Mild Medium to Strong Medium to Full Tolerable highly recommended
Oh my goodness. This is a sublime smoke, because it must have been formulated and blended by a tobacco virtuoso! As I understand, this mixture has not a shred of Virgina present, but it does have copious amounts of various orientals. I am extremely pleased by the cool and pleasant smoke that this tobacco offers to the smoker. I will smoke the hell out of this blend. You know what? I don't even prefer Latakia blends. I am a dedicated Virginia smoker! At the time of this review, I am deep in February, so that probably influences my smoking as I do tend to go for more Latakia blends during colder weather. It's just what I do. Moreover, the flavor is the typical, smokey Latakia interlaced with the spiciness of the orientals. I can only speculate, but I think there is a good amount of Yenidje in this mixture. This will not disappoint the smoker. Please treat yourself to this eminently clean blend. By the way, I have tried to get a bit of tongue bite off of these leafs, but so far it has been impossible.


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quantumboy 12/15/2010 Medium Extremely Mild Medium Pleasant to Tolerable highly recommended
I think this is a sleeper blend that gets lost in the limelight of its siblings Penzance and Stonehaven. I really like this as a medium-strength english blend with lots of flavor. Apparently it has no Virginia leaf, but it does not suffer in the arenas of sweetness or strength. A very tasty blend, it's one that I want to cellar, and it's actually readily obtainable!


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jonapurcell 10/05/2010 Extremely Mild None detected Extremely Mild (Flat) Unnoticeable not recommended
Vapid - a waist of money and worthless. I cant believe people actually PAY for this stuff!! I did...I have thrown it in the garden!


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Peppino 08/11/2010 Medium None detected Medium Pleasant highly recommended
Very similar to 965 as I remember. Stays lit, burns evenly and smokes dry, leaves a clean gray ash. The flavor gets richer at the 1/2 way point with a nice finish. Great tobacco! As I have said on other reviews this is aged between 7-8 yrs. My next tins will not have that issue now that I'm back to my pipes!:) :Update the bulk version is a little moist and needs some dry time. However that said, this is still a great tobacco that I know now ages well. A great smoke that everyone should try at some point.


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moresco 06/30/2010 Mild to Medium Very Mild Medium to Full Tolerable to Strong highly recommended
At first, I wanna say that this site is my reference to buy new stuff. I live in Brasil, and we don't have most of the tobaccos people talk here, and when yoo find some, you better buy it or somebody else will do. It is very expensive too, so you need to search for the right thing to buy. About Margate: for me, the best English I've tried. The right amount of Latakia makes it good after a hard working day. I smoke it outside, because my wife hates the smell. Ithink it fits really well with the outside, since the smell is a bit strong. It burns well. Tends to be hot if you smoke it fast. Perfect moisture (I think). Beautiful color in the tin. One of my favorites now.


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LoPing 06/18/2010 Medium to Strong Medium to Strong Full Tolerable somewhat recommended
Here is my first review. Keep in mind that I have only been smoking a pipe for about 6 months, and have only tried a few different tobaccos. I just recieved a sample of Margate from the local shop, and only have smoked it once. To me the Tin Note is that of Bug Spray. The fist third of the bowl made me laugh because all I could think of is that it tasted, and smelled like a Nursing Home on fire. I pictured depends Diapers burning. The perfume taste, and smell was overwelming. By half way through it started to mellow somewhat, and was a bit more enjoyable. To my amazement the aftertaste has none of the aforementioned qualitys, and is really quite pleasant. The aftertaste is what I would describe as "Ginger, and Honey", and there is no after-bite. The aftertaste is so good that I may be willing to re-enter the Nursing Home.


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tedswearingen 06/01/2010 Mild to Medium Extremely Mild Medium to Full Tolerable to Strong highly recommended
I've read every review on this blend and I find most of the reviews on Margate in the last year or so not true of my opinion.

I'm on my 16th ounce of Margate and 10th ounce of Pembroke, so I feel very comfortable with my thoughts on this. I think both are fantastic, but Margate, being less rich than Pembroke makes for a better traveling companion, which is something I think most of us consider on occasion.

I think POUNDER 5000's review is very true to my opinion of this tobacco and worth reading again.

"Esoterica can seriously kick some butt. This blend is magnificent. While penzance is treat at the end of the day, Margate is the perfect companion throughout. This blend delivers a good size hit of Latakia and is complex enough to fight it out with any similiar blend from Dunhill or G.L. Pease. The Virginias are sweet and the perfect back drop for the Latakia. This blend will simply not bite! I don't care what you do, it is one of the coolest smokes on the market. The closest thing to it is Nightcap, and although I won't detract from that wonderful blend, this is similiar to it minus the perique, and perhaps a little smoother. This will always remain a member of my rotation. By the way, it smokes like a champ outdoors on a brisk day, which is where you may be required to smoke it as the room note is a little strong."

I've not done hardly any reviews of pipe tobacco in the public domain. Obviously, we should all investigate every tobacco and decide for ourselves. If it's good enough, we should speak out.


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TheBriarSire 05/05/2010 Medium None detected Medium to Full Pleasant to Tolerable recommended
As a previous reviewer stated, compared to Odyssey, this might taste like air.

Unfortunately, I tried Odyssey before I tried this, and because it said "Full English" on the tin, I was expecting something quite, well, full. I know that an english shouldn't bowl you over with latakia, but I was having difficulty trying to pinpoint the subtleties of this blend with any proficiency. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing inherently bad about the blend: it is pleasantly full and luxurious, burns nicely to an ivory ash, and has all of the characteristics of a quality enlgish. But my thinking is it needs good cellar time to fully appreciate. I hate to say it, but I probably won't buy this one again. Pembroke, on the other hand, is a different story, and if I can ever get a hold of Penzance, I'll keep you posted.

For now, Margate failed to astound me. I really wanted to love it, and I do appreciate it, but there just wasn't enough of a wow factor to really dazzle me and make me want to smoke repeat bowls. Perhaps my palate is still developing. Still, three solid stars for quality -- it does embody a well rounded, straightforward english.


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pipesomkinsquirrel 04/07/2010 Mild to Medium None detected Mild to Medium Very Pleasant highly recommended
First off I would like to say hello to my fellow puffers, for this is my first review on your wonderful forum. After spending six months or so lurking, and using these recommendations in my tobacco purchases, I have chosen to add my two cents into the mix. Thank you all for the words of wisdom.

I consider myself to be a novice pipe smoker whom has dabbled in the hobby for quite some time, but just in the last couple of years really took the time to learn about the different types of tobacco available to us. I began with the drug store tobaccos, and then moved into the boutique aromatics. I quickly grew tired of that avenue, and found myself asking my tobacconist for something a little more mature and grown up. Thus I have entered the world of English and VA/Per. I still have a place in my heart for a well crafted aromatic, but rarely does one find its way into my bowl.

With that said, when I first entered the wide world of English mixtures, I was greeted with a 2oz sample of Dunhill's 965. It was love at first puff. From there I found myself indulging in tin after tin of Early Morning Pipe. Now those are the two which I hold the standard of English tobaccos.

When I read the review a few months ago that this was a 965 replacement, I had to try it. For most of you know, EMP and 965 are all but extinct.

I bought an eight ounce bulk sample, and a few weeks later I was opening the vacuum sealed bag. The aroma was terrific. I could not detect any type of casing. I got a whole lot of latikia in the forefront with a subtle VA sweetness.

I loaded up a medium sized bowl Peterson system pipe, and set out to the front porch. Upon first light, I was greeted with a very pleasant earthy note. Not too much sweetness in the beginning of this bowl. As I progressed through this mixture, I was very surprised. For one thing, I had never received a bulk English that I ever enjoyed. Also anything in the past that had been compared to 965 was an utter let down.

I continued to smoke this, and as it progressed to he bottom of the bowl I noticed a little bit of an ashy flavour. This may have been purely the fault of smoking a bit too quickly.

I really enjoyed this blend, and I would classify it as a light to medium English. I could not really compare it to 965, nor should it be compared to any Dunhill blend in my opinion. Both are great tobaccos for their own reasons, but I feel they are completely different blends.

I am rating this as a well balanced English, and a pretty high quality mixture. This has found a place in my rotation usually on the weekends in the early evening.

Being a homebrewer and a beer judge, I often times pair tobacco with beer. This goes very well with a light IPA, or hoppy American Pale Ale.


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Tortuga 03/20/2010 Mild to Medium Very Mild Medium Tolerable to Strong recommended
For not having smoked a pipe for a long period of time, it's curious to me why I would be so willing to call this a very straight forward, "old school" English blend. I mean, come on, I don't really know what Old School is. I guess you'll have to trust me on that prognosis. The tin is positively PACKED with very thin ribbon-cut, lighter va's and a good amount of smoky latakia. I bet if you let this age for a few years, you'd see a solid cake once you opened the tin -- that's how densely it's packed. The thinness of the cut is something I really like about it because it burns very consistently if you are careful not to pack it too densely in the pipe -- which is the pitfall of this style of cut. It seems like it's on the lighter side of English fare. Something like Odyssey will make Margate taste like pure air in comparison. But Margate is still a very good blend in it's own right. Perfect morning or warm weather english. Not too exotic, just Va and Latakia predominately (to my palate anyway). I think a lover of English blends could find room in his or her rotation for this fine blend.

Very much in the neighborhood of a 3 to 4 star blend depending on individual preferences. There are others I like more, but this one is just fine.


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Michael 03/04/2010 Medium None detected Medium to Full Pleasant to Tolerable highly recommended
* UPDATE 3/30/12 * This is a rock-solid Balkan and what many contemporary blenders aim for and often miss -- a true benchmark smoke. The Red Virginia, Latakia and Orientals are well integrated and provide a smooth, rich flavor that burns to a remarkably fine, light grey ash with no dottle, ashiness or bitterness.

It may lack the complexity and intensity of many of the more strident Balkan mixtures from the boutique blenders, but the processing, aging and pressing that Germain employs meld the tobaccos artfully, and as such all of the ingredients combine to deliver a refined, easy smoke every time. As such, all of the Germains have a signature taste that is readily identifiable, and I appreciate that. When I am uncertain about what I am in the mood for, this and the new Sobranie are my go- to choices and rarely disappoint, especailly when paired with a Pale Ale.


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Laudante 12/08/2009 Medium None detected Full Strong highly recommended
I was perplexed and wondering, when I saw the sporadic bad comments, if they were speaking of the same blend. I know that tastes differ, but it is strange to understand how can someone say that this is the worst thing he´s ever smoked, and that his throat ached for three days. What does someone have to do to get to those levels with this mixture? The only thing I know is that the mixture inside of the tin I have with the name Margate written on the forefront is one good tobacco.

Burning qualities are perfect, due to the fine ribbon cut (all the bowls I´ve tried have been one-match-till-white-ash bowls), and the flavor is deep and nostalgic. It is very perfumed, yes, as someone notes, but it´s the natural perfume of good latakia, and nothing else.


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k_pip_k 11/18/2009 Mild to Medium Medium Medium Pleasant highly recommended
Good bye My Mixture 965, I don't need you anymore. I've got my new girlfriend Margate. :)

I call this blend Margret myself. It is a nice satisfying smoke. It is classic in the English sense, but it does not burn harsh, it is not dripping wet, perfect moisture content.

It burns nice and slow and did not bite in the least. The flavor was present all the way to the bottom of the bowl. Some English blends are too perfumy for me, some don't have enough flavor to last through out the smoke. This does not seem to be true for Margret. I like this blend.

Just a note. I put away a pound of this stuff in a jar to age. I noticed a few flakes here and there that looked suspicious like it could have mold, so that's why I popped the jar and began smoking right away. Keep a close eye on this stuff if aging long term.


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