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Royal Vintage Dark Stoved

Brand: Butera
Blender: McClelland Tobacco Company
Tin Description: For the connoisseur who appreciates and enjoys the tangy, fragant aromas, and sweet, rich tastes of well-seasoned, dark stoved tobaccos. A single zesty Lemon Virginia leaf, picked at its peak, aged to perfection, carefully slow-stoved under pressure until the cakes turn to beautiful Chocolate Brown. Cut to flake form, Dark Stoved offers a maze of diverse tastes, with a mysterious flavor curve ranging from tart and spicy, through smooth and mellow... The perfect after-dinner, evening smoke... Cool and slow burning from top to bottom.
Country of Origin: US
Curing Group: Flue Cured
Contents:
Virginia
Cut: Flake
Packaging: 50g Tin

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Average Ratings
Strength: Medium
Flavoring: None detected
Taste: Medium
Room Note: Pleasant to Tolerable
Recommendation: Recommended


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Showing reviews 1 through 20 of 28 reviews of this tobacco
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shawn622 09/19/2012 Medium Extremely Mild Full Pleasant to Tolerable recommended
This morning I woke up at 4:30 in the morning and could not sleep. I read a lot in the forums and got my kids off to school at 6:40. I came home feeling adventurous. Having been gifted 14 tins of tobacco yesterday, I had a whole new world of tobacco to choose from so I looked the tins over and saw this one: Butera's Royal Vintage Dark Stoved. Never heard of the brand. Upon further investigation I discovered it to be made by The McClelland Tobacco Company. It sounded interesting.

Pickled tobacco??? This I had to try, so I cracked the tin to find It full of 1x2", slightly broken slices of dark reddish black flake. The smell was that of Perique on steroids. Way more of a vinegary, Ketchup smell, yet appealing. I pulled 2 of the slices out and prepared them in the cube cut method and loaded my Savinell Long John. It took 3 char lights to get it ready for the true light and you could very much taste the ketchup flavor come through but it was smokey and nice.

True light: Very much the same as the char light only very heavy with a tangy, almost Perique note as the main component. There was also a slight sweetness that came through. Maybe a hint of leather too. As I got into the heart of the bowl the sweetness came out more and more but was far from sweet like the typical Virginia. The tangy flavor still took center stage and continued to take center stage throughout the whole bowl.. I wish I could be more descriptive but it is certainly its own flavor. I can't think of anything to compare it to other than A really strong Perique but a lot more sour and tangy and less spicy. You could tell you were smoking a Virginia, but it was way in the background. You could also tell it was a Virginia in a subtle way by the way the smoke felt on your tongue. It was making my mouth water excessively. I had to stop smoking several times to wipe my stem.lol

The end of the bowl took on a little different flavor. The components all kind of ran together. It was more mild on the tang and you could tell you were smoking a Virginia even more except it was still not very sweet. It calmed down and finished a lot like most other Virginias I have smoked. I was surprised that it smoked really cool and dry. I am going to cellar the remainder of the tin till I get a more refined taste. It was enjoyable, but in the same way an amusement park is enjoyable. Its great to go to every once in awhile, but not an every day thing. I would recommend it as something to at least try.

I know this has been a bit of a confusing review, but its a very complex smoke and I'm a very new smoker. Happy smoking!!


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zulujerk 08/01/2012 Mild to Medium None detected Mild to Medium Tolerable not recommended
I was a bit miffed when I opened my tin of Dark Stoved. I wasn't aware that the blend was made by McClelland, and was shocked to find that I had ordered a simple rebranding of Dark Star. So let's see, there's Dark Star, 2035, and now Dark Stoved. Am I missing any?

Judging by the inability to find any Pelican or Kingfisher, and the overwhelming availability of Royal Vintage, it's obvious what people really want. It's simply unnecessary to rebrand an endless array of McClelland blends when people are pining for something more native to the Butera name. That's not an insult to McClelland, they make many fine blends.

So how about devising something more derivative of the Pelican and Kingfisher formula? Or increasing the supply? If I wanted to purchase McClelland blends, then I would. Can't you people be a bit more creative?


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beaupipe 11/30/2011 Mild Extremely Mild Mild to Medium Pleasant somewhat recommended
Dark Stoved is mild but interesting stuff. It’s a black broken flake with a few little lighter strands evident when it gets rubbed out. The tin aroma combines the familiar high-toned sourness of a McClelland Virginia with some very appealing Christmas cake scents—dried fruits, spiced plums, that kind of thing. I’m a sucker for those nostalgia-inducing smells, by the way, so whatever positive comments emerge from this review may be have been twisted out of me by that collection of aromas.

When Dark Stoved is good, it’s very good. The tin aromas come through nicely in the smoke and I’m reminded of plum pudding with brandy-spiked hard sauce. That’s a pretty impressive aromatic complex for a tobacco that claims to be pure, stoved Virginia.

But this is also a fussy tobacco. The first bowl I smoked wasn’t dry enough and I was left with a hot, tasteless smoke that almost had me throwing in the towel. Slower smoking and proper drying are essential for all Virginias, but I think Dark Stoved could act as the yardstick for that advice. Throw this at a new smoker interested in Virginias and tell him to come back when he’s getting nice smokes from it. I completely understand those reviewers who complain that this is nothing but hot air or that it’s tasteless. I had a few smokes that confirmed those comments.

But I’ve also had some very nice smokes, especially toward the bottom of the tin I jarred up a couple of years ago. Consistency is important, of course. But I’m going to rate this based on the best bowls it gave me, not on the worst.


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Julian Arden 09/25/2011 Mild Mild to Medium Medium Tolerable somewhat recommended
Strange blend. First - it is black like a devil. Second - it smells like spoiled fruit jam. Third - it is sticky and far too humid. Directly from the tin it is unsmokable, because of its humidity. It needs at least one day of drying in room temperature. Through this process, this tobacco fills the room with its mysterious aroma, easy to confuse with smell of rotten apples. When more or less dry, it is easier to smoke, but still difficult to fill the pipe, because previously too wet flakes now are, well, too hard. It is certainly not EASY tobacco. Generally, I consider this blend rather strange than pleasant. Butera or not, it is most McClelland's blend, which I've ever tried. If somebody like fruit vinegar in big quantities, it is his choice. I am not fully convinced.


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Alguhan 01/10/2011 Mild to Medium Extremely Mild Mild Pleasant to Tolerable not recommended
I found this tobacco tasteless. I expected some rich sweet and spicy flavors from this stoved tobacco. But it could not satisfy my needs. It is stoved too much! I don't know how to finish this little tin as I hate to throw away tobaccos.


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Unsal 10/11/2010 Medium None detected Medium Pleasant to Tolerable recommended
Nice tobacco. Recommended.


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Davetopay 05/13/2010 Medium Extremely Mild Full Tolerable recommended
Dark ain't a lie! When I popped this open a while back, it was a catsup bomb, but some time has mellowed that note. ( Yes it is packed/blended by McC) In fact now when I open the tin to fill a bowl it reminds me of A1, or wochestershire sauce. The flakes themselves are smaller chunks and slightly broken. They are black. Black like death. Tarry like a New York roof top in July, and just as black. Some have noted the moisture content, but I think this stuff may just be oily. It leaves your fingers resiny, not goopy like PG, but slightly oily to the touch. I found it does its best work in a medium to large bowl and when rubbed out to the point of crumbs. I had a hard time getting it lit as larger flakes. Flavor wise, it starts off for me a a very tangy, slightly sour, and heavy smoke. As it gets going the sweet vs sour tastes are fun to play with. About midway through the bowl it brightens up a bit and you hit the classic VA buttery, oaky, baking bread and cookies portion of the ride. At the bottom third it gets dark and heavy again. Gaining in bitterness(not in a bad way), building strength, and taking on a very tanic feel. All in all it is neat stuff that VA nerds need to try. I get the feeling that many people don't know about it as the tin I bought recently was from 2005! Happy Puffing! __________________


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Xeneize 08/05/2009 Medium Extremely Mild Mild to Medium Pleasant to Tolerable highly recommended
Very similar to Dark Star, and still much better. Less vinegar casing, a bit more sweet, more complex and with a deeper taste. Golden Cake is my favorite from this series, but this one's very enjoyable smoke.


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RMBittner 01/13/2009 Medium None detected Medium Pleasant to Tolerable highly recommended
I'll keep this brief: A delicious, heavily stoved flake that is quite sweet and mild, releasing occasional hints of lemon and butter -- and much more frequent hints of fine tobacco!

Although this is, in many ways, Dark Star's twin, I found Dark-Stoved to be much easier to break up and keep lit in the bowl. If I had to choose between the two, I would probably favor Dark-Stoved for its "ease of use."

My review is based on a 5-year-old tin.


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miracleman83 08/15/2008 Medium to Strong None detected Medium to Full Pleasant recommended
A solid Virginia flake similar to Dark Star. The flavor is deep and complex. I will be smoking more of this for sure.


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wosbald 10/12/2007 Medium to Strong None detected Medium to Full Tolerable highly recommended
The tin aroma of these hard-pressed, dense and oily flakes is fermented and spicy with rich cocoa notes.

Often compared to Dark Star, that tobacco's flavors of grape must and roasted nuts are here, though there is a bit less of the fruit character and more emphasis on the mellow, roasted flavors. The caramelized sweetness is deep and rich.

Overall, this is in the same vein as Dark Star. The broad flavor profiles are rather similar, though the balance is slightly different. With a touch less focus on the fruit tones than Dark Star, Dark Stoved becomes a more reserved and meandering smoke and perhaps even a bit more sophisticated and contemplative. Taken on it's own merits, this is a rewarding and worthwhile experience. This goes best in narrow gauge chambers.


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Noorrmm 03/09/2006 Medium None detected Medium Pleasant highly recommended
Appearance: Small somewhat thick flakes, uniform dark brown in color. Just like McC Dark Star (which is a close cousin, IMHO.

Aroma: Some of the McC vinegar upon first opening, which goes away after a few days. Then you have the smokey/sweet smell of the heavily stoved Va.

Packing: Usually needed to be somewhat broken up for easy packing, but NOT fully rubbed out. When rubbed out, it loses flavor in the pipe. (Again, like DS)

Lighting: Slowly, needs two matches for a good charring light. Initial flavor: A tad sharp at first light, then tones down into a mélange of tastes. There is a wide range of high and low notes, characteristic of a stove lemon Virginia. Less dramatic than Dark Star, but also less tempermental.

Mid-bowl: Lovely complexity of flavors when enjoyed slowly. When puffed too quickly, only the high notes come through, and the pipe will smoke wetter. Relax and enjoy.

Finish: Just a little stronger at the end of the bowl. When enjoyed slowly, there will be nothing but ash in a dry pipe.

Summary: I think it?s enjoyable any time of day, under the right condition. Absolutely perfect for an evening companion.


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memlapse 02/25/2006 Mild None detected Mild to Medium Pleasant to Tolerable highly recommended
I make it point to try everything that is blended by McClelland. They are masters of the Virginia flake, without question. I have come to the conclusion that mouth chemistry plays a large role when I see so many oposing reviews. I swap tobacco with several VA lovers, which allows me to sample blends along with them and then compare notes. I found that the proportion of "love it or hate it" between my friends was very similar to what I found here.

I found this blend very enjoyable. A bit of a chore to rub out, but it burned slow and long. The gentleman that sent the sample has very similar tastes as mine, but absolutely hated this blend. We both enjoy Darkstar and 2035, but our opinions differed greatly with this blend.

I recommend giving it a try. If you don't like it, I'm almost positive you will find someone who does. Such is the wonder and joy of our glorious hobby (obsession).


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Cactus John 12/21/2005 Mild to Medium None detected Mild to Medium Pleasant recommended
This is a nice stoved Virginia. A little nicer than 5105 but not perfect. It is good enough that I keep a tin of it around all the time. It is nice outside in the winter. It has a nice sweetness to it. And an unusual dryness to it as well.


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Uban 10/12/2005 Medium None detected Mild to Medium Pleasant highly recommended
This seems to be a love-or-hate smoke. I wonder, honestly, how much it has to do with the pipe? I smoke this 'blend' in a small bent plateau freehand by Walt Cannoy which has never had anything but Va flakes in it. It comes off in this pipe as somewhat 'monochromatic,' not being a complex flavor at all, but very smooth and mild. It is only a tiny bit sweet, still it has the distinct taste of the dark Vas that everyone else mentioned. It reminds me of the woodsy, haylike, field-of-wheat descriptions that apparently mean we all know what we are talking about here. It does NOT taste of vanilla, raspberries, leather, chocolate, or anything else. It tastes like good straight Virginia, well stoved and nicely cured. Four stars.


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emmbee 05/23/2005 Mild None detected Mild to Medium Tolerable not recommended
I was enticed by the tin description, and it was the last tin at the shop where I bought it. In a word: horrible! It's especially hard to imagine because this is a Butera/McClelland collaboration. (I know you're gloating, but shut up, Miciu!) The flakes, black as pitch, do not have any of the characteristic sweetness and complexity of McC's Dark Star. The slices are hard to rub out and they're slick and even a bit soggy, like damp leather. You have to wind up cutting the flakes into little cubes or strips. It's impossible to light this stuff and even more impossible to stay lit; I went through a half book of matches. A 'multi-dimensional array of flavors?' Give me a break; the taste was hot, burned my tongue immediately and was gummy in the bowl. I believe this stuff wasn't cured, it was boiled like pasta. I wound up emptying the bowl and throwing this crap out. I can't even describe the flavor or the lack thereof. It's just hot, stoved exhaust. I'll try drying this out for a few days, though I doubt it will help. This is a bad item that Butera should have enough sense to no longer market. I suppose we're all entitled to a flop. Try the other Buteras, such as Latakia 1 or 2, his Esoterica line, or go for McC's Dark Star if you want a heavily blackened dark Virginia flake with multi-dimensional flavor and bouquet. Avoid Dark Stoved at all cost. I agree with Pipestud on this one: yechhhhhhhh!

Zero of Five stars


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tonyg 05/23/2005 Medium None detected Medium Tolerable not recommended
Emmbee's review came in a week too late for me. Being a fan of Dark Star and 2035, I looked forward to a change of pace.

How the makers of the excellent blends above can create, much less market Dark Stoved is beyond me.

Avoid this blend at all costs. Just awful.


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bigblends 04/07/2005 Medium None detected Medium to Full Very Pleasant highly recommended
Dark Star is a favorite of mine. Even though I don't always have a tin of it open, there's always some in the cellar. However, Dark Star is not always the appropriate choice for me when it comes to stoved VAs. The flake can come off a little too bold, too zesty or tangy -- a little overbearing in the flavor department. This of course depends on my mood, time fo day, what I've eaten, the pipe it's in, and other variables that are unique to the smoker.

When the mood calls for a silky, buttery finish but with just a little less in the all-out flavor and mouthfeel adventure that is Dark Star, Butera Royal Vintage Dark Stoved is the ticket. Butera's flake is just toned down a bit. It's an excellent, breezy smoke that is still full of flavor and interest.

When you feel like Dark Star might be a bit much, reach for this instead. Save the Dark Star for a more suitable moment.


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Montague 12/18/2004 Medium None detected Medium Pleasant to Tolerable recommended
Butera?s Royal Vintage Dark Stoved tobacco is the product of a collaboration between pipe carver Michael Butera and the McClelland Tobacco Company.

The initial tin aroma has an acidic characteristic that is a good indication that this blend was indeed produced by McClelland. The aroma in itself is dark and tangy with a spicy background. This blend is simply a deeply stoved lemon Virginia leaf. The basic color of this tobacco is dark with lighter shades distributed randomly throughout. The tobacco contains a fairly large amount of sugar crystals.

The cut of Dark Stoved is a rather ragged medium-thick flake cut. Dark Stoved tends to rub out easier than its flake counterparts such as Dark Star. No real tearing is needed. The initial moisture is medium-high and removal of some of this moisture improves the qualities of the smoke.

If dried properly, Royal Vintage Dark Stoved lights fairly well and has a slow, consistent, and mostly complete burn. The burn spreads quite well. The room note is similar in many respects to the average dark stoved Virginia blend in that it is strong but pleasant.

The taste of Dark Stoved is dark, tangy, and slightly spicy. This flavor becomes less tart, sweeter, and creamier as the smoke progresses. The bite can be considerable but if the flakes are brought to the correct moisture level, and the blend is smoked slow and smoothly, than the bite can be minimized a good deal. The smoke given off is smooth and medium thick.

Butera?s Royal Vintage Dark Stoved is very similar to McClelland?s Dark Star although it seems slightly less refined and not as complex in flavor. Dark Stoved is of a high quality tobacco and is a pleasant rendition of a stoved Virginia blend.


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Inquisitor 10/29/2004 Mild to Medium None detected Mild to Medium Pleasant to Tolerable somewhat recommended
This was recommended to me by someone who knows that McClelland Dark Star is one of my all-time favorites. Unfortunately, it isn't in the same league.

As Beer says, this is obviously a McClelland product. But the beauty of Dark Star is the combination of zesty/tangy, leathery, sweet, savory, caramel/toasty and rich elements, all combined in perfect balance. Dark Stoved lacks this balance, having none of the darker tones. Like a tannic red wine with no follow-through. There is no pay-off. It also bites the tongue. With Dark Star, Blackwoods Flake and 2035 available, I don't see any need to keep this around.


 
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