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No.88 Matured Dark Virginia
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Astley's |
| Blender: |
Kohlhase, Kopp und Co. |
| Tin Description: |
Deep flavored, heat cured, naturally fermented and matured Black Cavendish. |
| Country of Origin: |
DE |
| Curing Group: |
Flue Cured |
| Contents: |
Black Cavendish
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| Cut: |
Ribbon |
| Packaging: |
50g Tin |
| Blend Notes: |
Originally blended in England. |
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Mild
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| Flavoring: |
Very Mild
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| Taste: |
Mild
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| Room Note: |
Pleasant
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| Recommendation: |
Somewhat Recommended
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hagen
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05/14/2007 |
Mild
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Mild to Medium
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Mild to Medium
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Pleasant
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| i'm smoking a 17 years opened tin which has been humified several times. it still tastes just about the same as i remember back then, but of course there's a lot less tin aroma.
it is, as others have noticed, rather bland in an aromatic way, but not sweet in the typical german/danish sense. it's a classical old fashioned english cavendish (can't say, of course if it still is, but judging from the other reviews i'd say it is).
as such, it is not that interesting to smoke on its own (and it isn't, really, supposed to), but try mixing it with a light virginia like fribourg & treyers golden mixture - it's quite surprising what it does to a blend.
astley's #44 isn't available in denmark anymore, but in the old days it contained a bit of the same sort of cavendish as #88. don't know if it still does.
(edited to correct the number of years i've had this tin: not 10 - 17!)
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BostonPipe
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10/18/2004 |
Mild
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None detected
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Mild
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Pleasant
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| It has been quite awhile since I have delved into black canendish blends...and it appears that it will be quite awhile before I do so again. The appearance in the tin is dark brown/black and the smell is appealing. However the taste is, well, ordinary. This is the kind of blend that I would mindlessly fill a pipe with to putter around the house or rake leaves with. It does smoke cool and dry but it is not one of those blends that I would "Sit-Back" to experience. Overall, it is a nice smoke, it lacks the character and depth that I normally look for in a good blend. Monochrome, consistent taste.
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Horse Bodotes
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02/22/2004 |
Mild
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None detected
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Mild
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Pleasant to Tolerable
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| Astley's No. 88 is a good example of a matured Virginia tobacco that proves to be maybe a little too much of a good thing.
Contrary to other reviewers, I found my sample tin to be much dryer than I was expecting. The tin aroma is a pleasant smell of raisins that is common to fermented Virginia tobaccos. The ribbons are a bit on the long side, and might benefit from a bit of breaking up for a smaller bowl.
Upon lighting, the sweet taste and smooth aroma that is unique to mature Virginias is evident. That is both the good and the bad: the taste was sweet and smooth and creamy, but there was virtually no change as one smokes down the bowl. By the end of the pipe, I find that the entire experience is a bit boring and monotonous. I am going to try adding a pinch of Perique to my next bowl of No. 88 and see if that spices things up a bit.
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Eulenburg
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12/30/2003 |
Very Mild
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Very Mild
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Very Mild
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Unnoticeable
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| English-style Cavendish-processed leaf, just like RATTRAY's Dark Fragrant. Very good quality, highly recommended to cavendish lovers. Too light for me.
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Pipestud
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12/25/2003 |
Medium
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Very Mild
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Mild to Medium
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Very Pleasant
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| I have been meandering my way through the entire Astley's range of tinned tobaccos over the past few months. #109 was too light. #44 was quite tasty and should be terrific with some age to it. #66 just plain sucks. #88 is average.
Dark, mellow Virginia with a smidgen of some kind of exotic, unobtrusive topping describes #88. The stoving keeps the burn cool even with the added flavoring.
Tantric's comparison of this blend to Rattray's Dark Virginia and Dark Fragrant is right on. In fact, I think by combining those two, you could get Astley's 88. Frankly, I think this stuff is a little better. Oh, and the spousal unit, without prodding, said she enjoyed the room note.
Finally, to sum up #88, I think it is an average blend that probably will not offend you or those around you. Just not enough strength to hold on to me.
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Briar Snob
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12/25/2003 |
Very Mild
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Medium
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Mild
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Pleasant
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| I have steadily been making my way through the entire line of Astley's tobaccos and have found several winners such as #109. But, this is not one of them.
This is a good, dark, tobacco, but one that is lacking in depth and character. It's taste runs to a tangy flavor, which can be tasted a day later.
As some of the other reviewers mentioned, this is one difficult tobacco to keep lit. Even with drying prior to smoking, it was still a chore to keep lit. Perhaps it is the fire retardant in the flavoring.
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JB
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07/28/2003 |
Mild to Medium
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Extremely Mild
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Very Mild
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Very Pleasant
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| Astley's 88 is certainly a light, harmless tobacco blend. There is nothing wrong with it and indeed, it would be a great starter tobacco for a new pipe smoker if it stayed lit a bit better.
The only problem with 88 from a mature smoker's viewpoint is that it is monochromatic and approaching bland.
I like my matured virginia blends to have some tang and some sparkle to them. If you do too, then 88 isn't for you.
I will probably use the balance of the tin to blend in with some of my other tobaccos
I tried this blend in the first place because it has gotten so much positive mention on ASP. Well, lesson learned...!
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SFC/E7
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07/28/2003 |
Mild
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Extremely Mild
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Mild
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Unnoticeable
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| Another tobacco for worm meal. After opening the tin the tobacco the color was a dark brown to black, it was very dry and there was no aroma.
I shoulld have stopped right there but proceeded on in attempt to pack a Larsen the size of a #4 Dunhill. I was really expecting the tobacco to go up in smoke, but it was just the opposite, I could not keep the tobacco lit I finally just gave up.
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NEWMAN
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06/11/2003 |
Mild
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Extremely Mild
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Mild
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Pleasant
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| I normally wouldn't even try black cavendish but have had good prior success with the German blender K&K under other of the Astleys' labels. Although I have much more experience with Va flakes, this is one of the better cavendish blends that I've recently smoked. I would not classify it as a ribbon cut as indicated above but rather a ready rubbed flake comprised of mostly deep brown to black stoved VAs. The tin aroma had only a hint of sweetness in contrast to many of the heavily cased cavendish blends. Once I improved my packing technique, although the initial lights were difficult, relights were not needed. Overall a cool, smooth smoke for a cavendish that I may select in the hot weather. However, it lacks the strength and flavor to become one of my steadies.
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BriarNorth
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05/14/2003 |
Mild to Medium
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Extremely Mild
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Mild to Medium
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Pleasant
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| If you like dark matured virginias, and I admit they are an acquired taste, then you can do no wrong with this fine smoking blend. The weed is dark as night and smells like a loaf of black Russian rye bread. Beautiful! To me, the flavour was very well-balanced, with no one feature that hits you over the head--just smooth, mildly sweet, with a touch of mulled spice. This would be a perfect introduction to matured Vas, as it smoked clean and cool in several shapes/sizes of pipe.
UPDATE: seeing Paddy's review reminded me of what I forgot to mention when I reviewed this blend halfway through my tin--it was bloody hard to keep lit. This was a pain in the butt, despite the flavour being good.
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Paddy
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05/13/2003 |
Mild
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Mild to Medium
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Mild
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Tolerable
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| This tobacco is a chunky black cavendish with occasional bits of very dark brown. It smells faintly of the Astley sweetener used in several of their tobaccos. The flavor is matured, dark Virginia, but very much on the light side. There is absolutely nothing remarkable about this tobacco; it is extraordinarily bland. Its most significant deficiency is that it is extremely difficult to keep lit. The constant fiddling required to keep it going plus a complete lack of uniqueness convinces me it is not worth the trouble. It does not even have enough nicotine to recommend it. Ersatz tobacco. Paddy.
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Tantric
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01/06/2003 |
Mild to Medium
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None detected
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Mild to Medium
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Pleasant to Tolerable
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| It is inevitable to compare some of Astley's blends with Rattray?s. Both are high quality tobaccos, prepared with absolute care for detail and flavour, and both are now blended by the same German house (Cohlhacs & Kopp, that also blends Robert McConnell's).
Astley?s 88 is a very similar tobacco, in aroma and appearance, to Rattray?s Black Virginia and, to a lesser extent, to Dark Fragrant. Astely's is suppler in texture, smoother in flavour, and IMO, easier to smoke than its close relatives. It is a dark brown, almost black tobacco, short crimp cut. Though it is easy to pack it takes some time before it lights properly. It smokes very smoothly and cool.
I find this is not as tangy as Black Virginia, nor as sweet as Dark Fragrant. Rather it is somewhere in the middle. It is very savoury and palatable, and an excellent choice to sit by and read a book or listen to music. The quality is superb and the smoking experience is amiable and very pleasant. If you like dark stoved Virginias, with a hint of tangy sweetness, try this one.
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Sykes Wilford
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10/25/2001 |
Medium
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None detected
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Medium
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Pleasant
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Very similar to other blends of its ilk, especially Robert McConnell's Rich Dark Virginia. Given that they come from the same factory in Germany now, it is not particularly surprising that such similarly intended blends ended up, well, so similar. If anything, this may smoke slightly cooler than McConnell's Rich Dark Virginia.
Comprising of exclusively of very dark stoved and aged Virginias, the color of the blend (if it indeed can be called that) is decidedly uniform.
The tin aroma is superb-- gently sweet and rich in the way only dark cured Virginias can be. It could use a little drying right out of the tin, but its not incredibly wet-- certainly smokable.
The smoke is good, but unexceptional. Some of the sweetness from the tin aroma shines through, but it's more bland than I would have expected given the delightful tin nose. This would probably make for a decent morning smoke for me and might be very much enjoyed by the lover of dark Virginia blends, but it definitely isn't exciting enough to become one of my favorites. I'll probably finish this tin, but I doubt I'll purchase another.
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