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Margate
| Brand: |
Esoterica Tobacciana |
| Blender: |
J.F. Germain and Son |
| Tin Description: |
A classical English mixture done in the "old style" of many of the
fine tobaccos that have now disappeared from the market place.
Choice Orientals and generous quatities of premium Cyprian
Latakia keynote this rich, full bodied blend. A well balanced,
robust and eminently satisfying smoke. |
| Country of Origin: |
Jersey, British Isles |
| Curing Group: |
Air Cured |
| Contents: |
Latakia
Oriental
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| Cut: |
Ribbon |
| Packaging: |
50g Tin |
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Medium
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Extremely Mild
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Medium to Full
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| Room Note: |
Tolerable
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| Recommendation: |
Recommended
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Peppino
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08/11/2010 |
Mild to Medium
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Medium
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Pleasant
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| Very similar to 965 as I remember. Stays lit, burns evenly and smokes dry, leaves a clean gray ash. The flavor gets richer at the 1/2 way point with a nice finish Great tobacco!
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moresco
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06/30/2010 |
Mild to Medium
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Very Mild
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Medium to Full
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Tolerable to Strong
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| At first, I wanna say that this site is my reference to buy new stuff. I live in Brasil, and we don't have most of the tobaccos people talk here, and when yoo find some, you better buy it or somebody else will do. It is very expensive too, so you need to search for the right thing to buy. About Margate: for me, the best English I've tried. The right amount of Latakia makes it good after a hard working day. I smoke it outside, because my wife hates the smell. Ithink it fits really well with the outside, since the smell is a bit strong. It burns well. Tends to be hot if you smoke it fast. Perfect moisture (I think). Beautiful color in the tin. One of my favorites now.
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LoPing
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06/18/2010 |
Medium to Strong
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Medium to Strong
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Full
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Tolerable
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| Here is my first review. Keep in mind that I have only been smoking a pipe for about 6 months, and have only tried a few different tobaccos. I just recieved a sample of Margate from the local shop, and only have smoked it once. To me the Tin Note is that of Bug Spray. The fist third of the bowl made me laugh because all I could think of is that it tasted, and smelled like a Nursing Home on fire. I pictured depends Diapers burning. The perfume taste, and smell was overwelming. By half way through it started to mellow somewhat, and was a bit more enjoyable. To my amazement the aftertaste has none of the aforementioned qualitys, and is really quite pleasant. The aftertaste is what I would describe as "Ginger, and Honey", and there is no after-bite. The aftertaste is so good that I may be willing to re-enter the Nursing Home.
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tedswearingen
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06/01/2010 |
Mild to Medium
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Extremely Mild
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Medium to Full
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Tolerable to Strong
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| I've read every review on this blend and I find most of the reviews on Margate in the last year or so not true of my opinion.
I'm on my 16th ounce of Margate and 10th ounce of Pembroke, so I feel very comfortable with my thoughts on this. I think both are fantastic, but Margate, being less rich than Pembroke makes for a better traveling companion, which is something I think most of us consider on occasion.
I think POUNDER 5000's review is very true to my opinion of this tobacco and worth reading again.
"Esoterica can seriously kick some butt. This blend is magnificent. While penzance is treat at the end of the day, Margate is the perfect companion throughout. This blend delivers a good size hit of Latakia and is complex enough to fight it out with any similiar blend from Dunhill or G.L. Pease. The Virginias are sweet and the perfect back drop for the Latakia. This blend will simply not bite! I don't care what you do, it is one of the coolest smokes on the market. The closest thing to it is Nightcap, and although I won't detract from that wonderful blend, this is similiar to it minus the perique, and perhaps a little smoother. This will always remain a member of my rotation. By the way, it smokes like a champ outdoors on a brisk day, which is where you may be required to smoke it as the room note is a little strong."
I've not done hardly any reviews of pipe tobacco in the public domain. Obviously, we should all investigate every tobacco and decide for ourselves. If it's good enough, we should speak out.
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TheBriarSire
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05/05/2010 |
Medium
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Medium to Full
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Pleasant to Tolerable
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| As a previous reviewer stated, compared to Odyssey, this might taste like air.
Unfortunately, I tried Odyssey before I tried this, and because it said "Full English" on the tin, I was expecting something quite, well, full. I know that an english shouldn't bowl you over with latakia, but I was having difficulty trying to pinpoint the subtleties of this blend with any proficiency. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing inherently bad about the blend: it is pleasantly full and luxurious, burns nicely to an ivory ash, and has all of the characteristics of a quality enlgish. But my thinking is it needs good cellar time to fully appreciate. I hate to say it, but I probably won't buy this one again. Pembroke, on the other hand, is a different story, and if I can ever get a hold of Penzance, I'll keep you posted.
For now, Margate failed to astound me. I really wanted to love it, and I do appreciate it, but there just wasn't enough of a wow factor to really dazzle me and make me want to smoke repeat bowls. Perhaps my palate is still developing. Still, three solid stars for quality -- it does embody a well rounded, straightforward english.
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pipesomkinsquirrel
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04/07/2010 |
Mild to Medium
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Mild to Medium
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Very Pleasant
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| First off I would like to say hello to my fellow puffers, for this is my first review on your wonderful forum. After spending six months or so lurking, and using these recommendations in my tobacco purchases, I have chosen to add my two cents into the mix. Thank you all for the words of wisdom.
I consider myself to be a novice pipe smoker whom has dabbled in the hobby for quite some time, but just in the last couple of years really took the time to learn about the different types of tobacco available to us. I began with the drug store tobaccos, and then moved into the boutique aromatics. I quickly grew tired of that avenue, and found myself asking my tobacconist for something a little more mature and grown up. Thus I have entered the world of English and VA/Per. I still have a place in my heart for a well crafted aromatic, but rarely does one find its way into my bowl.
With that said, when I first entered the wide world of English mixtures, I was greeted with a 2oz sample of Dunhill's 965. It was love at first puff. From there I found myself indulging in tin after tin of Early Morning Pipe. Now those are the two which I hold the standard of English tobaccos.
When I read the review a few months ago that this was a 965 replacement, I had to try it. For most of you know, EMP and 965 are all but extinct.
I bought an eight ounce bulk sample, and a few weeks later I was opening the vacuum sealed bag. The aroma was terrific. I could not detect any type of casing. I got a whole lot of latikia in the forefront with a subtle VA sweetness.
I loaded up a medium sized bowl Peterson system pipe, and set out to the front porch. Upon first light, I was greeted with a very pleasant earthy note. Not too much sweetness in the beginning of this bowl. As I progressed through this mixture, I was very surprised. For one thing, I had never received a bulk English that I ever enjoyed. Also anything in the past that had been compared to 965 was an utter let down.
I continued to smoke this, and as it progressed to he bottom of the bowl I noticed a little bit of an ashy flavour. This may have been purely the fault of smoking a bit too quickly.
I really enjoyed this blend, and I would classify it as a light to medium English. I could not really compare it to 965, nor should it be compared to any Dunhill blend in my opinion. Both are great tobaccos for their own reasons, but I feel they are completely different blends.
I am rating this as a well balanced English, and a pretty high quality mixture. This has found a place in my rotation usually on the weekends in the early evening.
Being a homebrewer and a beer judge, I often times pair tobacco with beer. This goes very well with a light IPA, or hoppy American Pale Ale.
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Tortuga
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03/20/2010 |
Mild to Medium
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Very Mild
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Medium
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Tolerable to Strong
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| For not having smoked a pipe for a long period of time, it's curious to me why I would be so willing to call this a very straight forward, "old school" English blend. I mean, come on, I don't really know what Old School is. I guess you'll have to trust me on that prognosis. The tin is positively PACKED with very thin ribbon-cut, lighter va's and a good amount of smoky latakia. I bet if you let this age for a few years, you'd see a solid cake once you opened the tin -- that's how densely it's packed. The thinness of the cut is something I really like about it because it burns very consistently if you are careful not to pack it too densely in the pipe -- which is the pitfall of this style of cut. It seems like it's on the lighter side of English fare. Something like Odyssey will make Margate taste like pure air in comparison. But Margate is still a very good blend in it's own right. Perfect morning or warm weather english. Not too exotic, just Va and Latakia predominately (to my palate anyway). I think a lover of English blends could find room in his or her rotation for this fine blend.
Very much in the neighborhood of a 3 to 4 star blend depending on individual preferences. There are others I like more, but this one is just fine.
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Michael
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03/04/2010 |
Medium
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Medium
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Pleasant to Tolerable
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| The more I smoke Margate, the more I appreciate its subtlety, depth and finesse. It is slightly less Latakia-forward than Penzance, but clearly is cut from the same cloth and is, in my opinion, somewhat more balanced and approachable. The Orientals provide a nutty richness and counterbalance the Latakia and Virginia wonderfully, pushing the blend just shy of Balkan territory. To my taste, Margate is an archetypal English -- a desert island blend. Some of the more recent reviewers mentioned that it "tastes like air" compared with Pease's Odyssey. Precisely. Esoterica produced a full-flavored blend that doesn't rake the tastebuds.
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Laudante
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12/08/2009 |
Medium
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Strong
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| I was perplexed and wondering, when I saw the sporadic bad comments, if they were speaking of the same blend. I know that tastes differ, but it is strange to understand how can someone say that this is the worst thing he´s ever smoked, and that his throat ached for three days. What does someone have to do to get to those levels with this mixture? The only thing I know is that the mixture inside of the tin I have with the name Margate written on the forefront is one good tobacco.
Burning qualities are perfect, due to the fine ribbon cut (all the bowls I´ve tried have been one-match-till-white-ash bowls), and the flavor is deep and nostalgic. It is very perfumed, yes, as someone notes, but it´s the natural perfume of good latakia, and nothing else.
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k_pip_k
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11/18/2009 |
Mild to Medium
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Medium
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Medium
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Pleasant
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| Good bye My Mixture 965, I don't need you anymore. I've got my new girlfriend Margate. :)
I call this blend Margret myself. It is a nice satisfying smoke. It is classic in the English sense, but it does not burn harsh, it is not dripping wet, perfect moisture content.
It burns nice and slow and did not bite in the least. The flavor was present all the way to the bottom of the bowl. Some English blends are too perfumy for me, some don't have enough flavor to last through out the smoke. This does not seem to be true for Margret. I like this blend.
Just a note. I put away a pound of this stuff in a jar to age. I noticed a few flakes here and there that looked suspicious like it could have mold, so that's why I popped the jar and began smoking right away. Keep a close eye on this stuff if aging long term.
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Demetri
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09/09/2009 |
Medium
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Medium to Full
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Pleasant to Tolerable
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| For me, this is one fine English blend. And I appreciate getting a 2 oz. tin vs. 50mg; it was priced right for a high quality import. As others have noted, it is in an extremely thin shag cut - thinner even than the original Sail offering before Orlik - and hence, care must be given to properly load it. Once lighted, a thoroughly enjoyable smoke especially if not stressed to overheated status. Another "thinker's" blend, one for the quiet times.
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SMOKETSES
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07/04/2009 |
Medium
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Extremely Mild
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Extremely Mild (Flat)
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Tolerable to Strong
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| This is the worst tobacco I have smoked since the day I started smoking.
Who ever suggests trying this one first and then Pembroke is right. If you taste this ghastly thing, you might spare yourself from trying Pembroke. It injured my throat and it took me three days to smoke.
This was a first! When I do not like a tobacco I usually mix it with others so as not to waste it. This one went straight to the bin.
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Sinister Topiary
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06/10/2009 |
Mild to Medium
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Medium
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Very Pleasant
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| Margate is a delightful English/Balkan blend in the same class as Squadron Leader and Artisan's Blend, what Nojoqui calls "High English", which is a great appellation for these kinds of blends, which I liken to single-malt scotches, each a quality blend with its own distinctive signature.
It's the most finely cut ribbon I've yet seen, and it burns so easily that it can get hot if you puff hard, which you should definitely not do with this little beauty or you'll miss all its unique nuances, which gets more subtle and complex as you get down to the bottom, so sip it slow and you'll be amply rewarded.
But though I very much like this delectable, dignified blend I prefer it's sister, that painted hussy Pembroke.
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hambone71
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06/08/2009 |
Mild to Medium
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Mild
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Medium
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Tolerable
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| I have been smoking this blend for a couple of months now and I must say that I really enjoy it. There is a taste that lingers on the roof of my mouth after each draw. I like that taste. Very earthy with a zing. It reminds me of how I drink a delicious vanilla milk shake, I tell myself to slow down and savor it but its so delicious I can't. Now, I'm only giving it 3 stars because I'm still in search of "The One" that knocks my socks off. Definitely glad I tried a tin but it may be a while before I pick up another. It'll find a way back in my rotation soon enough. Just need to try more.
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Wrangler
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05/20/2009 |
Mild to Medium
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Mild to Medium
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Mild to Medium
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Tolerable
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| Although I smoked my first bowl full in a pipe I have been smoking 1Q in, it was rather nice. I don't think it has the complexity serious pipe smokers would want but then again I was fighting the mild ghost of the 1Q. We'll see what the future brings with Margate. I don't believe I'll be disappointed.
Well, now I've had a chance to smoke numerous bowls of Margate most in a new pipe sans ghost. I have to say it is now one of my favorite tobaccos. It has a nice complexity and occasionally throws you a curve with a new teaser of flavor. I recommend it whole heartedly.
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wolfango
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05/11/2009 |
Medium
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Extremely Mild
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Medium
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Tolerable to Strong
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| I have been smoking pipes for more than 40 years now, and I am part of the legion in search for 'those' English mixtures: the advertised "old style". I must say that Margate is one of the closest Moderate flavor, quite British, but nothing memorable. I would compare to the second line oldies, like Four Squares, for example. I would say it is OK for the current standards. However there is a big problem, in my experience, that prevents me to recommend Margate to my friends. This mixture burns extremely hot, to the point of putting the pipe and my fingers in danger. Only a Meer can be smoked safely. And I felt the consequences in my lips too. Now that summer is coming, smoking Margate may become hell.
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BriarPatch
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04/17/2009 |
Medium to Strong
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Mild to Medium
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Medium
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Tolerable
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| Preface: I have been smoking Dunhill Standard Mixture Medium for near-on 30 years, believing that it has no equal anywhere on earth. But it is gone now, and so I begin a quest for my Holy Grail: A substitute to replace the standard on which all English tobaccos are based:
Margate is an English from England. Reading the reviews here (ecstatic, mostly) I only wish they'd all gone on to try SMM. Because Margate is in the ballpark, but SMM is so much better.
Phantom55 said: "Tried this based on the overwhelming positive reviews here. Smells good in the tin, like fermenting Virginia. Unfortunately, to me, does not smoke like it smells. I must be quite sensitive to whatever flavoring agent they use, and there definitely is one. The tobacco just has a very peculiar flavor that I can't readily identify."
Well, that flavoring is definitely there. Almost like perfume, and I don't much care for it.
Pipestud (who's reviews I generally respect) said: "I consider this to be a traditional English, yet not quite as plain as, say, the Dunhill English blends. This one packs more complexity. If you like Dunhill 965, take a step up in class and grab yourself a tin of Margate. You'll be glad you did."
Well. Dunhill 965 had Cavendish so, yes, Margate is a step up from there.
Of SMM Pipestud said: "If you want a smokey flavor lingering in your mouth for hours after you finish a bowl, grab a tin of this stuff"
Precisely. Pipestud offered 3 stars for Margate and 1 for SMM.
Margate lacks the complexity & smokiness of SMM, as well as the full body. The tin description bears no mention of Virginias, whose omission, if correct, may account for some of this.
Tin was deliciously moist. perfect in my opinion, and it burned very well. But it DOES have that perfume smell and taste.
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Tudval
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04/17/2009 |
Medium
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Extremely Mild
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Mild to Medium
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Pleasant
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| After some disappointments with blends from Davidoff, Peasse and C&D, I am happy to have found one that I will actually enjoy smoking! Somehow I was under the impression that this tobacco is second rate when compared with Penzance, so I never tried it. But the two are so different that they both appeal in different ways. The cut is an unusually fine ribbon and it comes pretty moist, so care must be taken not to pack it too tight. The tin aroma is pungent, barnyard and earth, very natural and rustic, just lovely. The smoke is mild , with no tongue bite, but because of the moisture level is high, it can be a bit hot. A little fluffing before packing should take care of any excess moisture. This is a fine blend that yields a great smoke, albeit of subtle character. Esoterica seems to hit the right notes with me, so I will have to try some of their other blends as well. So far, this is my favorite.
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jackal
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04/13/2009 |
Mild to Medium
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Tolerable
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| I find Margate a little dry for my taste, none the less, it is a typical English blend. The Orientals in it are more acrid and musty than I like and the Latakia is a bit too smoky; like burning brush in the backyard. I think it could stand a lot more GOOD Latakia. I would rather smoke Margate than I would Sir Walter Raleigh, but that covers a lot of ground.
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calboy8686
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04/04/2009 |
Medium to Strong
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Extremely Mild
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Medium to Full
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Pleasant to Tolerable
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| A great smoke for those of us that like the taste of Latakia being prominent. The orientals round it out a little, but have some sweet undertones. If I smoke more than one bowl before putting this down for a different day it will give me a headache. While when smoked it smells almost identical to how the tobacco is in the tin. Robust, but not overpowering. It's defiantly in my rotation, but rotated out more than in right now. I'm waiting on another tin to arrive. It seems to smoke much better in my higher-end pipes, and makes it very easy to build a little bit of cake in your pipe because of the perfect ash it leaves behind for building the carbon cake.
If I wasn't on the last bowl of the day I would have one of Margate.
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