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412A: Billy Budd
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Cornell & Diehl |
| Blender: |
Craig Tarlar |
| Tin Description: |
A heavy Latakia blend with rough-cut Burley and bright Virginia flake, enhanced with a good amount of rough-cut maduro cigar leafs from Connecticut and Wisconsin. |
| Country of Origin: |
US |
| Curing Group: |
Air Cured |
| Contents: |
Burley
Virginia
Latakia
Cigar Leaf
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| Cut: |
Coarse Cut |
| Packaging: |
Bulk |
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Strong
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Extremely Mild
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Full
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Tolerable to Strong
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Recommended
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Tamper Dan
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06/19/2013 |
Strong
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Mild
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Very Full
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Strong
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| I only smoke this tobacco with a stiff drink. I find the strong bitterness of the cigar leaf is cut well with some bourbon, scotch, or whiskey. Otherwise, the flavor seems to linger on my toungue a little too long. Not an everday smoke for me, but perfect for chilly evenings by my backyard fire pit.
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haredawg
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05/02/2013 |
Medium
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Mild to Medium
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Tolerable
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| This is the first factory made cigar leaf pipe blend I've tried. I've made my own using the clipped cap of an 1964 anniversary padron, pirate kake and oriental silk, but never a factory rolled one. The pouch smell was what you'd expect from an english blend, plenty of smoky latakia, a bit of VA sweetness and spicy orientals. In this blend the spicy scent was the cigar leaf.
I was disapointed, not repulsed. The cigar leaf seemed to dominate the flavor and it was lower quality cigar leaf than I am used to. I'm hoping cellaring will help.
I smoke cigars. I have high regard for C&D. My three stars are optimistic that when I revisit the blend it will live up to three stars.
It's not like I only smoked half of a bowl and tapped it out in disgust, and I did use a very reliable, well seasoned Castello Collection that has never steered me wrong.
I think there is something to this blend and am willing to give it a chance, but it wasn't as pleasurable a smoking experience as I was hoping for.
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Introibo
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04/24/2013 |
Mild to Medium
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Strong
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Full
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Tolerable to Strong
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| Loud and boisterous. If Star of the East flake is Philip Marlow, Billy Budd is Mike Hammer. A beautiful combination of sharp burley and virginia flavour, with the Latakia given some strength by the cigar leaf.
I could smoke this all day and all night, if necessary. It is mild, in the vitamin-N department, unlike many of the CD line-up, but it keeps its flavour from start to finish.
You can't really taste the cigar leaf per se. I suspect that it works inside the Latakia, serving as a kind of chemical additive to that worthy leaf.
Towards the last third of the pipe you get even more Latakia, with the burleys muted. I would presume that even CD's burleys, not generally a shy bunch, are upstaged by the other components to the point of just creeping away.
Outstanding in every respect.
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puddlepirate
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03/05/2013 |
Medium to Strong
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Medium to Full
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Pleasant
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| my favorite of the so-called cigar blends. abit too much latakia for me to handle bowl after bowl so i cut it with another blend called stogie, which has no latakia and is very dry. they mix very well. i buy it in bulk, 2oz billy budd to 1 oz stogie. i call it stogie budd. i like it in my cobs.
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chaplikc
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12/25/2012 |
Medium to Strong
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Full
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Strong
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| I find this to be a nice blend when I am in the mood for Latakia but do not want a typical English blend. The cigar an burley leaf combine to give this blend some real depth in the low end of the taste spectrum. When I first smoked this I did not know the blend had cigar leaf in it but I could not figure out where the low notes of flavor were coming from. At first I thought the burleys in this blend were just really deep. When I found out this blend had cigar leaf it made sense to me. The blend smokes cool and has some nicotine strength although not at all overpowering. I recommend this blend to those wanting a Latakia blend with a nice little twist.
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Dr. Watson
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12/01/2012 |
Medium to Strong
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Medium to Full
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Pleasant to Tolerable
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| Given the short span of time I have had the pleasure of savoring this blend from C&D, Billy Budd has indeed outshined my modest shelf. Naturally, I tend to gravitate to Va/Pers or Burleys, yet this first foray into Latakia has been a pleasure.
BB begins with a nice toasty and smoky aroma with the tobacco lurking just below the surface to give a nice reminder of it's prescence. Roughly midway, the kick and flavor encapsulate your senses into the cigar-esque traits of this blend. The maduro and burley accentuate the Latakia (or the other way around) to allow a nice base note of sweetness from the Virginias to show.
Overall, BB pleases this smoker with it's rounded full flavor, decent strength, and modest profile. Recommended, though a good light roast coffee or dark tea goes quite well alongside this blend. A staple, if not a permanent fixture.
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Kleidophoros
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11/16/2012 |
Strong
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Medium
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Tolerable
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| Coarse cut tobacco with big chunks of cigar leaf and latakia and broken virginia flakes; difficult to pack especially in a small pipe. Doesn't light easily, doesn't want to stay lit. Doesn't burn hot though or doesn't bite even after all those relights.
Smoked a bowl when I first got it and tossed it into a mason jar for about about 3 months.
I don't know if it's too much latakia or cigar leaf or maybe my butchered-by-cigarette taste buds but pretty much all I get from the Billy is a harsh smoke and a harassed throat. It's leathery alright but not the usual sweet and leathery flavour I get from other latakia blends but salty and pungent; almost bitter.
See you in another 3 months Billy!
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After almost 3 months I am smoking this once again. It still doesn't wanna burn evenly, still pungent and musty yet the bitterness is gone. There is something about the latakia in this blend; it's very different from the latakia from other latakia blends I have been smoking. I don't know how or why it happens but I guess I like other latakias better...
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Timberwolf
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10/08/2012 |
Strong
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Strong
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Full
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Tolerable
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| Giving this blend 5 stars is a testament to C&D in my book. I cannot settle into one type of blend and find myself regularly switching my preferences in blends throughout the genres, with exception to aromatics.
I bought a pound of this blend and jarred it a little over a year ago. It took mr a while to get a regular feel for this blend, but I find it not like other blends.
I enjoy this blend in any pipe, but it is especially amazing in my thick walled cherrywood.
A hearty room note that masks a truly smooth, tasty smoke with predominantly latakia and burley taking their turns. I found the Virginias and cigar tobacco subtley showing up now and then to provide an amazing well balanced smoke.
Vitamin N is definitely there, but doesn't overpower. An exceptional C&D blend.
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pipelovingcalvinist
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10/04/2012 |
Strong
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Full
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Strong
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| If one was looking for a unique English blend, I would recommend this. However, if someone wanted a blend that tasted like cigar I would say look elsewhere. A good blend, I just didn't taste cigar. I liked this as a nice strong English blend but when I want cigar I'll stick with a Fuente.
Soli Deo gloria!
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cody19940
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08/30/2012 |
Strong
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Extremely Mild
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Medium to Full
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Tolerable to Strong
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| A very relaxing smoke, due to the heavy Latakia blend, but at the same time very tasteful due to the several other tobaccos included.
Probably wouldn't recommend this to anyone who hasn't smoked an English before, or isn't a smoker who smokes often. If you do enjoy an English blend this is definitely for you. Probably one of the most enjoyable and tasteful smokes I ever had.
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TheWoodwose
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08/19/2012 |
Medium
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None detected
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Full
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Tolerable
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| This is the only English blend that I have smoked so it is hard to make this an accurate review.
I tend to smoke only mild aromatics like C&D's Founding Fathers. But I have also smoked their Epiphany blend as well.
This is definitely much stronger in room note and taste. But it smokes very smoothly. Nicotine hit is strongish but not a head swimmer.
The only problem is that I don't smoke enough to fully enjoy this tobacco. The only time that I really enjoyed this blend was at the end of a week when I had smoked almost every day previous. I usually only smoke a few times a month if that.
So I had an almost nirvana like smoke and then went about a month without smoking at all. Since my previous smoke was so nice I decided to have another bowl. It was very disappointing. The smell seemed very abrasive the taste was overwhelming and was just no good. I couldn't understand why at first but I am pretty sure it is because I don't smoke much
So, if you smoke regularly I would say this is a great tobacco to try. But if you are like me and smoking is more of an casual thing, then you might want to go with something more mild.
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A7Guitar
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07/02/2012 |
Medium to Strong
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Medium
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Medium to Full
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Pleasant to Tolerable
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| This is a blend that I saw pipefriendchs smoke a lot and is one of his favorites so after watching I figured why not try it. I must say the blend does not dissapoint. Full flavor, nice aroma, and absolutely zero tongue bite. I even for the sake of trying I tried to hotbox this blend but no tongue bite. What worried me is that it apparently has maduro cigar in it which i dont like maduro cigars at all for some reason yet this blend didnt bother me in the least. In fact this is definitely one of my top 3 blends of all time. It is full and definitely an evening smoke for me. I would suggest this to anyone and everyone but if you are unsure always buy a 1 oz bulk bag first then go from there. Hope this helps :)
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brogreggblues
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07/01/2012 |
Extremely Strong
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Extremely Mild
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Very Full
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Tolerable to Strong
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| Tried BB two years ago, when I got back into pipesmoking after a 20+ year hiatus. At that time, I found BB to be interesting and complex, but ultimately too strong for me to enjoy. A month ago, I thought I'd give ol' Billy another try. After a couple bowlfuls, I can say Billy Budd is very tasty and complex, but prohibitively strong for me.
Full disclosure: I have also revisited Habana Daydream and enjoy it.
YMMV.
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tleek
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06/15/2012 |
Medium to Strong
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Very Full
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Tolerable to Strong
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| Most pipesmokers familiar with this website are proabably also familiar with the famed pipefriendchs on youtube.
Billy Budd has been his tobacco of choice for a number of years, and because of him and my love of Purple Cow. I decided to try some of this when i ordered a 5 blend sampler pack from the source.
The first bowl i smoked wasn't good, i dont know why, but all i tasted was cigar leaf. Must have not been mixed up right, or just bad bad luck or something, but i was initially disappointed.
I tried it again the next day however, and wow, it is fantastic. I have now smoked a number of bowls of it. Not as strong (at least to me) as other reviewers make it sound, but it is a very full flavored, stout, smoke.
Lots of Latakia flavor, but not a one dimensional tobacco at all; the components are nicely blended. There is always a spicy sort of cigar like note throughout the smoke and it becomes a lot more apparent at times, specially if smoked hot or fast. The virginia sweetness keeps it from being harsh, and the burly makes it a really good, complex smoke(i like little burly in english blends).
I am guilty of being a fast smoker, but i must honestly say that this blend is a whole lot better if smoked slowly.
It burns clean and dry, but a little fast, but oh well, buy it in bulk and its not drastically expensive and incredibly worth it.
I Hesitate to give it the highly recommended rating, simply because some people i would simply not recommend it to.
If one primarily enjoys the fine points of virginia flake, or the mildness of a pleasant aromatic, or even just light english blends like early morning or squadron leader, this may not be for you, but there is only one way to find out right? But, if you like a strong, full flavored, English blend, and want to try something a little unique, I really feel like you will enjoy this.
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mo
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06/14/2012 |
Strong
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Mild
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Very Full
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Tolerable
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| Depending on your tolerance for Nicotine and Full tasting blends, this will either be a feast or an assault on your senses.
One thing this blend does not lack is taste. Judging by the tobaccos used in this blend, it lives up to the taste profile I expected when i lit my pipe.
What i tasted was mainly Burley and Latakia. I did get some notes of what could be described as Cigar leaf. I feel that the Virginia leaf is just too delicate in taste to compete with the no holds barred Burley, Latakia and Maduro leaf.
Overall i feel this blend has its place. It is for a very late night smoke when your taste buds have been fried all day by whatever it was you have been smoking and you need some VitN and something you can actually taste at that time.
It does not make it into my rotation but i can see a place for this from time to time.
Mo, South Africa
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DrumsAndBeer
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03/21/2012 |
Strong
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Full
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Strong
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| I am on my 2nd tin of this stuff and I finally feel somewhat qualified to render a review on it or at least an opinion of some sort. Many a times I have gone back and forth as to whether or not this is a quality smoke worth pursuing. The fact that I continue to investigate this mixture, tells me that it is.
As for the tobacco, this wasn’t one that I could just ease into, even as a long time purveyor of cigars. Billy Budd is a challenging blend that forced me to really alter my cadence from Allegro to Adagio un poco mosso.
Billy Budd is a flavorful and at times rewarding smoke, but it can also taste out of balance and it can be down right rude. I’m talking like a smack to the face, and this hand isn’t wearing a velvet glove. But there is a silver lining with Billy Budd. Moments where I have experienced true tobacco harmony, tasting the woodsy burley and latakia intertwined with sweet undercurrents of Virginia with just a delicate cocoa note from the cigar leaf. These moments are rare with Billy Budd but they are there, and most of all this is never a boring smoke. Most of the time however, the latakia dominates, the cigar flavor pokes through here and there & the burley and Virginia flavors seem mostly neutered. As for the cut, I am not a huge fan of course cut mixtures and several times this one has clogged my pipe. Room note and Billy Budd should probably not be used in the same sentence unless you live in the ultimate bachelor pad. If that’s the case then I envy you because I do like the smell of this stuff. At my house Billy Budd is an anti-wife mechanism. Smoking it guarantees that my significant other is having nothing to do with the likes of me that day and maybe even the next.
Now that spring is nearly here, I look forward to aging a bit of this over the next 6 months to see how it fares next winter.
2.5 stars..
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piperookie
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02/19/2012 |
Very Strong
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Mild
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Very Full
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Strong
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| A trully nicotine cannon.Can't smoke it all day.Can't even smoke it everyday.Too heavy.
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elelion
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12/13/2011 |
Medium to Strong
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Strong
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Overwhelming
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Tolerable
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| Well, I did not find this blend for myself. Almost one year ago, I brought one of my colleagues into the pipe world, and he recently asked me if I could find something with cigar taste.
Yes, "CIGAR TASTE", these are the only key words I have. And after striking a few keys on my lap-top, I have 2 choices: Billy Budd and Habana Daydream. Coincidently there is only Billy Budd in stock at my regular supplier. So I got 200 grams for my colleague and 50 for myself. It was a little too dry when I opened the bag.
And again, one same blend gives out totally different characteristics with different pipes. I first tried this blend in my meerschaum, and the experience was not so great. I could only enjoy myself for the first few puffs and afterwards all elements seem to be mixed up.
I switched my pipe to my James Upshall pot shape which I usually serve with Penzance, and everything appeared as it should be. The latakia is well balanced, not too agressive. However I feel no cigar taste in the flavor but my pallete tells me there is some according to the old memory :)
The coarse cut is the most difficult to pack but I managed it with Frank method. It lights well (maybe because it was too dry ?) and requires no relight even with slow puffs.
Good stuff indeed, but don't expect too much for the cigar taste according to the description. For the blend itself, I rate 4-star. With Penzance which requires forever for its availability, this would be a great alternative.
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TardyDuck
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12/10/2011 |
Strong
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Full
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Tolerable
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| Believe it or not, this was the second bowl of tobacco I ever smoked. In my search for knowledge before I started pipe smoking, I became a regular viewer of PipeFriendCHS on youtube. The tobacco that he was most frequently smoking was Cornell and Diehl's Billy Bud. So when I first bought my pipe, I decided this was something I must try.
Because it was the second bowl of my life, it hit a little harder then expected, and I didn't understand why PipeFriend liked it so much.
1 month later, and approximately 15 bowls, I finally get it. This is deffinetly a tobacco that grows on you. If you give it the time it needs and smoke it slowly this will eventually be in your top five, guaranteed.
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Mr. Big
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12/03/2011 |
Strong
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Medium
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Strong
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| I've had this cellared for 10 months and it is still very spicy hot. I don't get a strong cigar note but rather a full latakia hit. A strong flavor and "n" hit. I don't see much interest here.
Updated 1/14/12- Saw old " Billy" sitting in the back of the cellar so after a year I gave him another chance.Sorry I did, upon French inhaling I got a strong ammonia blast. Well that's it, threw out Billy
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