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1792 Flake
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Samuel Gawith |
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Samuel Gawith |
| Tin Description: |
Full strength, mellow tobacco comprising a blend of
dark-fired
Tanzanian leaf. Made in England. |
| Country of Origin: |
UK |
| Curing Group: |
Fire Cured |
| Contents: |
Kentucky
Virginia
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Whisky
Tonquin Bean
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| Cut: |
Flake |
| Packaging: |
50g Tin |
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This is a full strength, mellow tobacco comprising
a blend of dark fired Tanzanian leaf. It is
Gawith's best-selling premium grade flake. It
starts as 7 lbs. of hand stripped leaf and goes
through a steaming process prior to being pressed.
The cake, having been prepared, is wrapped in a
select leaf and packed by hand into a 12 inch
square. This cake is pressed and left for a
minimum of two hours. Then, the pressed cake is
placed into a steam press where it is baked at
full heat for two to three hours. The baked cake
has then taken on 1792's characteristic rich, dark
color. It's hardening occurs during cooling. Once
the process of cutting the flake and adding a
tonquin flavor is carried out, hand wrapping and
packing finalizes 1792, making it ready for
rubbing into your pipe. Also sold as Cob Flake in
Europe. |
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Strong
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Medium
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Tolerable
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| Recommendation: |
Recommended
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Smoking Sam
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05/15/2013 |
Medium to Strong
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| I was a little apprehensive about the N factor of this tobacco after reading all of the reviews, and watching several Youtube reviews. I was also worried about tongue bite if smoked moist.
I opened a new tin and rubbed out the flakes completely. I let the tobacco rest, and hopefully dry out, for at least 30 minutes. The tobacco felt OK and packed easily. Even with judicious useage of my Colibri Connaught II, the tobaccy was just about impossible to light even though the pipe was packed loosely. It wouldn't stay lit, and multiple relights were necessary. The tobacco produced a lot of pungent smoke when burning.
The tonquin topping was noticeable on the pallete. The nicotene that I was worried about wasn't a problem - no stomach gurgle, no buzz, etc., and I was puffing the pipe aggressively to try and keep it lit. I threw caution to the wind and even inhaled a couple of times. I found the tobacco to be medium to full flavored. It did burn cool and there was no tongue bite. About half way through the bowl things improved somewhat.
My initial opinion of this tobacco is that it is not on a par with FVF, though stronger, and less satisfying than Dunhill Flake, both in taste and N power. I have another flake rubbed out completely, and I will let this dry for a couple of hours to see if that improves the situation. At this point, all that I can add is that - 1792 shows potential. I like the fuller flavor. I am venturing into stronger and stronger N laden tobaccos lately, (I have some Gawith, Hoggarth & Co. Brown Irish twist due to arrive tomorrow.)
More later.....after more thorough drying, and a second cup of coffee.
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Round 2: Update.
Packed 1792, now completely dry, into my pipe. Not surprisingly, it lit much easier. Two false lights, tamping, and then off to the races. Now sippable. Impressions? Earthy. Spicy. Medium to full flavored straight tobacco taste. Tonquin bean still apparent, but no whisky flavor. Lots of smoke. It kind of reminds me of Dunhill Nightcap. Still no "N" factor noticed. A strong, basic, tobacco. Much more enjoyable this time around. Raising rating to a 3. Enjoying the experience. No burn to nose or pallete. Smokes cool. Tonquin aroma noticeable - as one reviewer said, this would get one kicked out of a restaurant. Pairs well with strong coffee. I imagine the same would be true of scotch or bourbon. 1792 delivers what I ask of it, a very relaxing medium to strong smoke. Proper drying is essential, for this flake tobacco to shine.
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Malcolm
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05/11/2013 |
Strong
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Mild
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Full
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Pleasant to Tolerable
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| Tin Tonquin Bean smell is wonderfull, puffs not so... Full taste of plain tobacco and good portion of nicotine. In my opinion it bites...Not for beginners.
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TheJayBee
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04/06/2013 |
Strong
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Mild to Medium
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| Took a coin, opened the tin, I was welcomed by pungent yet paradoxically sweet smell. It was as if though I stumbled across a farm and and a flower plantation field at the same time. The smell of the tobacco is pure bliss. I almost wanted to start chewing on those flakes!
The tobacco is very dark and the flakes cut unevenly as with all Sam's flake.
In addition, his flake was the wettest out of all 3 Sam's flakes I have already tried. This one proved to be a combat to light, even after I shredded the flakes into tiny ribbon like cuts. keeping it lit was another fight I had to endure. Admittedly, I did not wait to dry the flakes as with the other flakes I tried.
The smoke however, is soooooo soooo rewarding. This Va/Ken tobacco delivers all the goods. Vitamin N wise, it gives a lot. Taste of the smoke is very earthy, slightly floral (Kentucky taste I am guessing), and the Virginia gives the smoke a more subtle balance to it. The smell of the smoke is heavenly (for me). Room note is strong for the other party.
I am still fighting to keep my pipe lit... Fighting... fighting... Why was I so impatient... Let the flakes dry for at least 15 minutes before breaking them, and then wait at least 15 more minutes to put it in your pipe.
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Update: Almost a week a after opening the tin, I had to write this damning paragraph, simply because even after breaking the flakes into ribbon like tobacco, the tobacco is still wet and it is still a struggle to keep it lit.
It seems to be that it has nothing to do with the flake, but with luck! Sometimes you can get a tin that does not require much drying up, while others are very wet.
SG should do something about the consistency of the humidity of their flakes. I had almost no issues with St James Flake and the FVF, but with this one, it is a battle with every bowl. From the different SG flakes reviews, I see that the wetness is not the same depending not on the tobacco type (FVF, St James, 1792, etc...), but the tin itself. Maybe they need to age more in the tin? I don't know... I just know that those guys do great tobaccos, but sometimes I feel it rains on the flakes inside the factory, and sometimes it doesn't! This drives me crazy!
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Phonomet
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03/29/2013 |
Overwhelming
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Medium
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Extra Full
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Tolerable to Strong
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| Just...can't...do it! I've been trying and trying this flake, but the only way I could make it work was by mixing it with some much lighter fare like Orlik's Golden Slices. The smell and flavor of the tonquin bean are very nice, but I couldn't enjoy it because of the overwhelming strength of the smoke. As I read the description and other people's reviews I find myself once again tempted to give it another go solo. But, probably not this year.
UPDATE 5/3/13
I've just finished the first bowl of this that I enjoyed. I think that a little age and drying made some difference, but mostly my tolerance for tobacco strength. I'm upping a star.
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doc'spipe
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03/17/2013 |
Medium to Strong
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Medium
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Medium
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Pleasant
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| I have been intrigued by this blend for quite some time now. As far as Lakelands go, I am more a fan of G&H as there blending style is more in line with my taste than is with SG but I was curious about 1792. I stopped at the local JR which stocks SG tins.
Opening the tin I was greeted with the typical SG rough cut flake that had some sugar crystal bloom on it. They were of a mostly dark brown leak with some medium brown, but not jet black. The tin aroma was not off putting at all. It reminded me of a cough syrup of my youth which I believe was named Ipsitol. It was not quite the same, but it did rekindle my memory of that preparation. I was quite surprised that the tin aroma was not more pronounced given the description of such in many of the reviews. Upon deep inhalation I almost detected the presence of a dark cherry-like aroma way in the background. As is typical of SG tinned tobaccos, the flakes were moist but not as moist as my experience with Best Brown Flake, so 1792 was smokeable right from the tin. I loaded a bit in a small, slim billiard Dr. Grabow Grand Duke that I reserve for Lakelands and testing new tobaccos. I digress briefly here, but it is worth mentioning that I have just shy of a dozen Dr. Grabow pipes out of a pipe collection of over 150, and NEVER had a bad smoke in any of them. They could use a higher class of rubber in their bits, but their briars have never failed me in 37 years of piping - and from the first bowl. For me, they beat out my expensive Dunhills and other medium to high end pipes by a long mile, and I like to support this American institution for as long as I can!
Although 1792 was smokeable from the tin, there was the need for frequent relights, but it didn't interfere with my enjoyment of this fine blend. The initial taste was similar to Revor Plug but not quite as musty as Revor always is for me. While smoking I said that this wasn't all that strong as compared to Irish Flake, one of my favorites and the strongest tobacco I smoke. However, the strength creeps up on you, but not in a leveling way. It provided a nice buzz is all and this was after consuming a sandwich and cup of coffee. However, I conclude IrF to be stronger by way of comparison. There was a very nice chocolate taste that quickly developed that was not over the top and lasted throughout the smoke. There was nothing flowery or soapy with 1792 nor did I experience the dry mouth feel typical with Kentucky leaf. The side stream for me was similar to the room note that Captain Black White gave off when I smoked that well over 30 years ago. My wife and two daughters didn't find the room note offensive at all. One said it was pancake/maple syrup like. No heat or bite as well.
G&H and SG, the two powerhouses of Lakeland style tobacco blending, are very different in their approach to their respective products. This is a good thing as it adds variety to the available products. As stated, I enjoy G&H offerings over the likes of SG, but with 1972, SG has a winner here. Recommended and one that I can smoke every day if need be. Goes great with a black coffee, too. I am very happy I finally tried it and was not disappointed!
UPDATE 3-23-13: With more drying of this tobacco, the tin aroma that I described as "cherry-like" is now more like black-cherry soda, perhaps from the addition of heliotrope?
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Demetri
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03/17/2013 |
Medium to Strong
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Strong
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Very Full
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Pleasant to Tolerable
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| While viewing a wikipedia article about tonquin beans I was surprised to read it therein stated that they were used to flavor 1792 Flake AND Dunhill Royal Yacht. This was astonishing to me as a long time fan of both the old, very robust Royal Yacht and the new, slightly more tame, version. I had to try it to see.
I am also, beyond the Royal Yacht, not an afficiando of flavored blends in general, I should add.
1792 Flake may well be cased with whisky but that I could not tell. The tonquin topping however is nearly overwhelming from the tin aroma, taste in the smoke, and room note. And surprising to myself, I rather enjoyed the experience. I would not classify 1792 as a heady smoke but one of strength sufficient enough to let one know its packs some punch. I feel it more in my stomach than my head.
The flake packed easily enough and had the usual problems of firing. Loading a pipe and letting it rest, unlighted, for several hours somewhat alleviates this problem. I do think its European name, "Cob Flake", is spot on. It smokes better for me in a cob.
I could not say, after this exercise, that Royal Yacht has any tonquin flavoring, however. If it's in that one, it's very slight. And that's a big "IF".
All in all, I did like this one.
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John Frum
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03/14/2013 |
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Tolerable
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| So glad I waited a few years before trying this bad boy! It sure is a strong one. However, for me it is so far the best of the stronger flakes & plugs I've tried, for example Revor Plug and Condor Long Cut. I'm new to Tonka bean flavouring - it works well, and seems to last longer into the smoke than other casings. When it begins to fade the tobacco flavour is full and tasty. It needs some drying: I find that pulling a flake apart and leaving it for some 45-60min at room temperature is ideal. Then, it burns well and can be sipped and savoured. So, four stars - if you like a bit of something stronger in your rotation, I'd say it's a must-try.
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Buster Bluth
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03/09/2013 |
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| An amazing tobacco that satisfies like no other. It is very unique. Tin aroma to this smoker hints of perfume and barbecued chicken. I generally let flakes dry a bit and partially rub out. I have been smoking in a little Kaywoodie 'campus' and a small clay with great results.
Initially lighting I taste the tonquin and some floral notes. Side stream smoke reminds me a bit of one of those store bought fireplace logs. Once this stuff gets rolling at a good burn the magic happens. The flavor is very rich. There is a pronounced dark chocolate and whiskey taste I get on the periodic nasal exhale coupled with a very earthy flavor that almost reminds me of how black walnut trees smell. Tastes are subjective and this is the best I can describe this amazing stuff. Burns well all the way down with even sipping.
I think this tobacco is one of those distinctive things like Black Licorice, Moxie, etc. Those that like it....really, really like it.
I usually sample this before bed on cold winter nights. It's a special treat and best smoked alone while already in a relaxed contemplative state of mind. The nicotine will provide a total mellowed detachment that will be very linear. Pipe smoking at its best.
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Mochzky
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03/05/2013 |
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Tolerable to Strong
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| I am a longtime R&L Wingfield lover and a flake fancier ever since I started pipe smoking in my early twenties in the late 70s. I often obtained my favourite tobaccos from J.J. Fox. One of my favourites was the flake sold there, a pressed bar tobacco packed in the small rectangular tin the same size of Dunhill flake tin in those days. The tin bears the label of the familiar R&L design, which I believe must be one of Robert Lewis products. Akin to Dunhill flake in quality, however, this flake smelled sweeter and tasted milder, seemed more mature than Dunhill flake. Soon, they stopped selling this flake, at least at J.J.Fox. Ever since, I have been seeking for my legendary flake, even time-slipped through the days when people began to enjoy Internet, my search continued, but to my chagrin I haven’t been able to find it out up to this date. Through many compromises and deviations, I found myself an addict to Samuel Gawith’s 1792 flake. Is this the one I dreamed of and sought for, after a long journey of my dream flake? No, this is far from it. In every aspect, nothing matches the flake I bought at J.J.Fox. I cannot explain what kind of turn of mind or what kind of perverse deviations of my pipe life made me an intermittent repeater of Sam’s 1792 flake. The body odour of “Mr Ugly” as coined by some reviewer … . One idea is that a smoker’s taste is vulnerable to change through a vast space of time. Figuratively, the smell of “the armpits of coalminers”, as mentioned somewhere, has joined the league table of my likings ( literally speaking, as I haven’t got any acquaintance among coalminers, I have never had the opportunity to smell it in my life and, of course, if I had, I would never wish to do that for the rest of my life). I could not find an appropriate phrase in my word inventory for the scent of S. Gawith’s1792. Some say it is ugly but others say flavorful. I think there is a hair’s breadth between the two.
Like a fiendishly smoky peat-taste whisky, Gawith’s1792 chooses the smokers. If Dunhill Flake, Holger Danske’s Royal Navy Flake, Samuel Gawith’s flakes such as Golden Glow, Full Virgina can be a textbook standard for VA flakes, Sam’s 1792 flake largely deviates from that. Anyone who got bored with the textbook VA, Go for it!
My view on tasting: Slow-burning does not necessarily depend on moisture. Pre-smoking drying out is a must. As usual with most cases, the manufacture’s secret skills of cutting and slicing tobaccos also account for pleasant cool smoking. In the light of that, Samuel Gawith’s1792 is the work of art, which enables me to play with silky creamy smokes smouldering from the muddy, earthy dead leaves, along with its subtly stinging and tingling sensations on the tongue like the first touch of a hard-core single malt.
The best advice is: Do not spew a lot of smokes all the way through the whole mouth with the open velum that may allow the smokes to freely tingle the nasal path. So, smoke it in a small bowl. Try not to let the smokes get as close as to the velar part near the windpipe because that makes you coughing and even getting sick. It’s like swallowing Ardbeg like draft beers, and the result will a hell. I am sober in writing this.
Presentation is a punch, an epihany: The nose delivers a mélange of soap, garam and delectable vernal grass. When light it first, a soapy smell arrogantly asserts itself with a hint of garam cigarette. On the palate, I get a piquant, peppery kick in the tongue, which is enjoyable like a swig of peaty single malt. As to casing, I do not detect whisky topping; tonquin is salient and ubiquitous. The flake does not light very well but retains its original piquancy to the last puff. This flake reminds me of Sam’s other range such as Black xx and Brown No.4 ropes. Patience is needed to get it going to the last burn.
Gawith’s1792 flake may not fit with anyone ensconcing oneself in the cozy couch in the ultra-hygiene modern life recommended by health fascists. The flake comes from the 19th century England, in which everything was sooty as in Dickens’ world, along with a variety of smells of life and horses’ dung at every roadside at the low level of public hygiene as some reviewer mentioned adequately. So, changing the mindset is of the essence when you time-travel to enjoy the 1792 flake. I often smoke it with my small Dublin in the mouth, and sometimes it perks me up, other times consoles me, by the time-travel into the 19th century human world.
I put 7 stars in 10 scales. Before meals, this flake punches me in the stomach like a nasty body-blow, so it has never become the tobacco for all-day smoking. What’s more, smoke this in a decent bar or in a posh restaurant, I guarantee the staff will ferret you out. And yet, unforgettable, unputtingdownable tobacco I often get back to.
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Puffingthebriar
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01/23/2013 |
Medium to Strong
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Medium
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| I looked into buying this a couple of times,but only now have i tried it,its really good stuff,i dont find it strong at all and the flavour is great,ill be buying more of it
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FlatCapMatt
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01/22/2013 |
Very Strong
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| I purchased a sample of 1792 Flake, and my tobacconist told me it would put hair on my chest. He was right, I'm now a bloody wolfman.
I'm an aromatic kind of pipe smoker, who dabbles in English blends. I had to try this one after reading some reviews. My pipe smoking hobby would never be complete without trying 1792.
I rubbed some out and put it into my Kaywoodie, which I use a lot for English blends. Right away I got a peppery feeling in my mouth, something I've only had before once when I tried Peterson's Irish Oak.
I've just put my pipe down, and I haven't felt ill or dizzy. (yet)
I don't particularly like the taste, the strength or the room note.
My analogy for 1792 Flake is this: It is like sipping a whiskey, whereas an aromatic is like sipping a cider. You don't do 1792 for the flavour.
I started pipe smoking for the flavours and aromas, and this doesn't suit me at all.
I imagine this one is more for the hardcore, the nicotine addicts, and anyone who needs to feel more manly in front of other men. My 1 star rating is not an indication that it is a BAD tobacco, it just reflects that it is the opposite of tobaccos that I personally enjoy.
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sethus
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12/25/2012 |
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| I have 7, 50g tins purchased back in 1989, which i had completely forgotten about until my wife gave me a newly purchased tin today for xmas, ive smoked a bowl today of one of my old tins and a bowl of the xmas gift, WOW WOW WOW, both are awesome,1792 is a nic delivery system, just superb,sweet VERY relaxing,VERY satisfying, nose tones of nuts,roses,butter,. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED..anyone new to pipe smoking should hold off for a few years before smoking 1792,build up your experience before trying this blend,.
A tip which my be useful to experienced pipers is to mix 1 flake of 1792 with a quarter flake of condor,DO NOT RUB OUT,for me it more than hits the spot .
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Gearhead4343
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12/19/2012 |
Strong
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| This is one of my absolute favorites, for all of the positive reasons covered in previous reviews. Many of the negative reviews though have me puzzled. First , the ubiquitous moisture complaints: most tobaccos need drying before smoking - so I never understand complaints about that. This blend burns beautifully when allowed to dry. It will easily rub out almost to a shag too, if you like. Second, when dry, the tonquin flavor mellows & sweetens, looses any mustiness or "overwhelming" scent & takes on a dried tart cherry aroma. Tonquin though, is a very complex flavoring & is obviously not for everyone. Third, I see a lot of complaints about the strength & body of this flake- but why purchase a 100% dark leaf, fire-cured, FULL STRENGTH flake, if you know you don't like strong tobacco? Then go as far as to give a negative review on a flake you were bound not to like?
This is Gawith's best selling flake, & is so for many good reasons.
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SmoothingIt
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12/08/2012 |
Very Strong
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| Oh, the 1792 Flake! You live in a unique world where some love you and some hate you but few are indifferent.
I have found that the 1792 is a strong tobacco not enjoyable by the light-hearted. Even for a nicotine fiend like me, it is best enjoyed after a large dinner. An empty belly doesn't go well with the high nicotine content and tonquin flavoring. I offered a bowl- full to a friend somewhat new to pipe smoking. Less than halfway through, his coughing and dizziness ended his pipe smoking enjoyment for the night.
All that being said, when the time is right, I do enjoy this smoke immensely. It is full of flavors that reveal themselves throughout the bowl. It burns well and an experienced smoker should have little problems keeping it lit.
As with most tobaccos I purchase, it is packaged much too moist and needs to be air-dried for a bit before smoking. Sidenote - when freshly opened, 1792 looks and smells a bit like bacon.
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II Stormy II
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12/02/2012 |
Mild
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| Very distinct taste. Charring light is never as good as the rest of the bowl with this blend (In my opinion). Not a bad smoke, not a favorite either.
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11/26/2012 |
Strong
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| Can y'all taste the Chocolate in this? MmmWee! Damn good pipe weed this. Tell ya what, I'm gonna go get me some more yeehaw.
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WellingtonIdolizer
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11/12/2012 |
Overwhelming
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| Take a flake apart and let it dry for about an hour, then fill your pipe. Be prepared to go on a trip like woodstock, this has such a nicotine punch that your world will spin. As soon as you feel the kick...put it down. Or you WILL throw up.
The taste is very earthy. But, most people don't smoke this one for the taste.
I've been smoking pipes going on 6 years now...and I heard I "had" to try this, but to be careful because it will knock your socks off. I filled up one of my smaller Ropp cherry pipes, and after smoking it for a few minutes, I felt fine. I noticed it burns a lot longer than average tobaccos. After I was about half way through, I felt a total rush of nicotine. I was stuck in my chair for a good 20 minutes before I finally stumbled my way back into the house. Total buttkick!! NOT for beginners or for the faint of heart.
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11/07/2012 |
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| Tried to smoke using numerous methods. Very nice flavor PITA to keep lit though. Will keep trying because of the tobacco flavor.
12/23/12 Upgrading to 3 stars,after I rubbed some out and dried it for a couple of hours It was really a nice flavorfull and powerful smoke. I did not get to finish the whole bowl so I will start it up again and see what that is like.
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10/27/2012 |
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| One of my all time favorites,its indeed a strong blend that tastes like nothing else I've had before. the flavors are very dark and earthy to me, as well as a bit of dark chocolate hints mixed in. I admit that its not a good blend to start your pipe smoking career on because of its potency, but something that should be worked up to once you have developed proper packing and smoking technique.
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09/21/2012 |
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| Well gents, this is one that will no doubt be used as a boosting agent for blending, but not much more. It is age-old style tobacco that is nice and strong, but flavor-wise, it leaves little to be desired. It's just flat and strong, all the way around. For stand alone strong goodies, my ropes and twists have both strength and character that I love, and will stick with. Enjoy what you grabs ya`.
Update: I found that a fold and stuff; NOT rubbing out delivers a sweet edge that's kind of nice. There is far less bite because rubbing out allows the sugars to burn faster which converts to acid; bites the tongue and kills the flavor. So, instead of smoking smaller rubber out amounts, I've been folding and stuffing medium amounts with nice results. Therefore, I'm bumping this up to "recommend" because the more I smoke it, the more I understand and enjoy it. Some things are an acquired taste, AND require a little experimentation, and this for me seems to be one of them.
Update 11/26/2012: I'd sellered the large sample I got from Pipes and Cigars and pulled it back out today. It has become sweet and woody, and good Lord is has a wonderful kick. I'm a seasoned old fart, so it's not overwhelming to me...just good strong English. Beginners, tie your boots tight, or you'll fall right out of them.
11/29/12. Another consideration: I went 1/2 and 1/2 with Dunhill's A-30000 black cav, and what an outstanding mix. Not too sweet, no bite, good medium strong woody goodness. Holy Mole! I think I've crossed the diamond with the pearl!
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